Thursday, September 10, 2009

The ABA Section of Legal Education & Admissions to the Bar

Don't expect clear and transparent post-graduate employment statistics anytime soon. This committee is a complete and utter scam. It is literally packed to the brink with members of the law school industry cartel. Although the Section's bylaws mandate that only 50% of the council's seats be occupied by law school deans, faculty, and administrators, it is quite clear that the other half of the board is populated by lapdogs who are clearly not disinterested. A Harvard 2nd year as the representative voice for the entire national law student body?

Dean of New England School of Law: Vice Chair;
Dean of Univ of Montana School of Law: Member;
Deans of Hastings, Miami, American, Washington Schools of Law: All Members;
Harvard second-year law student: Student Member;

The committtee on its website brags that "in order to acheive its goals of improving the quality of legal education, character and fitness assessments, and bar admission standards, the Section works closely with the Association of American Law Schools, and the Access Group..... among others." In the past year and a half, the Section has granted provisional approval to the Elon, Charlotte, and Drexel Schools of Law, and has granted full approval to the Florida A&M and Western State University Schools of Law. They have also granted acquiescence for the scam school Ave Maria to get up and move across the country, and have also removed Golden Gate and Whittier Schools of Law from probation. The committee is also mulling the idea of allowing certain of these scam school to do away with the LSAT, and has put out a proclamation declaring that swine flu is a bad thing. No word from them yet on the fraudulent and disingenuous marketing materials put out by many of these law schools, reports which have recently surfaced in a large number of recent mainstream media articles.

Although it was announced last month that there was a vacancy on the committee, and while it would be nice to have the perspective of a working class lawyer on that board, good luck achieving that in reality. For one thing, in order to be eligible to serve, you are mandated to pay dues to the ABA criminal syndicate. Actually reaching the board is another thing entirely. The rules say that, "the president of the board will activate the process in the Section Bylaws to fill a vacant seat." The "Section Bylaws" are a complex, byzantine set of regulations that probably haven't been revised or read since the 19th century. In reality, the seat will in all likelihood go to someone who the chair picks out of his preferred rolodex. Even if a member could be chosen who could adequately represent the interests of the overwhelming majority of working class lawyers out there, he/she would be so out of place that it wouldn't even be funny. It would be like a drunk transgender stripper showing up to a Southern Baptist Convention.

I am sure that the other ABA committee that put out that ridiculous "let's ship all the legal work to India" opinion is the same way.

118 comments:

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Lawyers Against The Law School Scam said...

great post, Tom the Temp!

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The Yuppie Attorney said...

I remember the Law Schools were charged 30K by the ABA for a re-accreditation "site visit." This fee was in addition to the annual ABA fees. Further, each "pre-approval" school actively recruited ex-board members to serve as faculty and deans. Almost gtd employment to ex-board members.

* * *

When I asked someone "in-the-know" why the ABA doesn't just say, "there are too many lawyers; we don't need these schools." The response I was given was the ABA doesn't want a lawsuit against them for monopoly of the accreditation process. Further, they would lose control of the law schools and the ability to push their agenda.

Anonymous said...

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Innis

Anonymous said...

Whatzzzzzz up dogzzzz? Where is everyone? Does everyone have the SWINE FLU???? Are they at Town Hall Meetings?? Is everyone working???? Where is the juicy gossip - Big Mamma reporting, Clovester sighting???/ What's going on????? Is everyone working??? Am I the only loser sitting at home in my underwear??? What's going on????

Anonymous said...

The ABA doesn't want to have any of us "legal untouchables" on their committees. They want to bathe in the aura of biglaw and success. Struggling attorneys from also ran schools don't measure up.

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Anonymous said...

WE HAVE TO MAKE THE CUTOFF SOMEWHERE.

EVERYONE WHO GRADUATED FROM A LAW SCHOOL THAT IS NOT PART OF AN ACCREDITED UNIVERSITY SHOULD HAVE HIS/HER LAW DEGREE AND/OR BAR LICENSE REVOKED!

THAT'LL CUT DOWN THE NUMBERS OF LAWYERS RIGHT QUICK!

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Anonymous said...

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Lawyers Against The Law School Scam said...

Anonymous said...

The ABA doesn't want to have any of us "legal untouchables" on their committees. They want to bathe in the aura of biglaw and success. Struggling attorneys from also ran schools don't measure up.

It's just another prestige whore group shilling for the fatcats. As if they need more help and profits.

9:00 PM

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VERY prescient comment!
(always wanted to use the that word...)

Anonymous said...

How can Golden Gate Law School be off probation? This shit of shit schools sells law degrees to hapless foreigners at full ticket.

Lucky the Nigerians don't need to go through the bother of a U.S. education just use their home LLB and take the Bar.

Anonymous said...

6:46

The Nigerian LL.B. is equivalent to or better than a JD degree from many US law schools.

Your xenophobia is showing.

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Anonymous said...

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Anonymous said...

Fuck you, Alfred Youngwood!

Burn in Hell forever!

Anonymous said...

I just called up my Haitian witch friend and requested that she put a Wicca curse on him.

Anonymous said...

Has Youngwood seen his sweatshops? He's a fucking Deadwood.

Anonymous said...

The Nigerian LL.B. is equivalent to or better than a JD degree from many US law schools.

Your xenophobia is showing.""


Yes, so xenophobic! So "raaaaacist"!
Empty words with no substantiation.

I guess I missed how great these Nigerian law schools were. Firms must recruit such excellence from all over the world!

And we know how clean and bribery free the Nigerian legal system is.

An LL.B. from any country, even a truly great one like Oxford or Univ. of Paris, is not as good as a J.D. because it requires less study, effort, and investment.

But that doesn't stop the New York Bar - a failed thieving organization - of de facto treating the Nigerian LL.B. like it is as good or better than the J.D.

So Mr. Nigerian, the New York bar agrees with you.

And instead of changing the system the temps cower in fear of a clothing warning call from Update. And watch Axiom's life style videos.

Anonymous said...

I've seen sewer workers, janitors being treated better than attorneys in Paul Weiss's sweatshops.

Anonymous said...

Axion is SO OVER THE TOP. Jeez, they are going to recruit people with all this bullshit and then put them to work in sewer sweatshops - so what use is all the high flutin shit - Kiss my ass Axion and your lifestyle people SUCK!!!

Anonymous said...

But isn't Paul Weiss the great liberal law firm. Always supporting the latest liberal cause, with partners like Ted Sorensen?

Of course with over a hundred partners not one conservative. Wouldn't want to hear a different idea!

Paul Weiss is the stereotype of phony New York liberalism. Partners ordering lunch from Le Cirq and treating temps like rodents. (Nigerians happily going along with this to undercut U.S. citizens.)

Anonymous said...

I prefer agencies that club you over the head when you meet them to put you in sweatshops than agencies like Axiom. At least with the clubbers you get a sense of what you are in for!!!

Anonymous said...

If you are going to enter the ghetto world of document coding I would prefer NOT to hear all this crappy Axiom bullshit. It gives you a fake sense of humanity and totally fucks with your mind later as you sit in the sweatshops.
And all those profiles of those Mega-Nerds -- uuuuch, these people need a laxative.

Anonymous said...

Kindly cease and desist all defamatory statements aimed at Drexel law school. This shall serve as an official notice.

Anonymous said...

from a pre-law blog so scary:

Thanks for all the responses. Yes I am sure I want to go to law school... since I was 3. I am in grad school right now as a means of exercising my brain. The opportunity presented itself and I took it. No reason to let it go to waste. It has actually helped me narrow the kind of law I want to do. It can also provide a means of income if I can get into a part-time law program.""


Typical pre-law has inflated GPA and low LSAT
(which is why many ABA want to get rid of LSAT - so unfair to have an objective measure):

I have a 143 LSAT in Oct of 2004. I do not know why, but thats the score I got. In practice sessions, it was marginally higher. My undergrad GPA is a 3.51 with a minor in Poli. Sci - GPA 3.74. I graduated in 2004 after attending a community college my first 2 years. I am currently in Grad school with a 3.95 GPA. I feel my LSAT is unrecoverable in the law school admissions officers' eyes. I am too afraid to apply to any law schools.

I am looking at Drexel's new law school but I don't know if they will even take me. I do not know where to apply or if I should even bother. I feel as if my LSAT is not indicative of my performance in law school at all.

Where can I apply? What can I do? A counselor pretty much told me to not even bother. That upsets me! Any suggestions?""

Anonymous said...

Drexel sucks.

it's impossible to defame Drexel.

But no surprise they threaten to destroy anyone who exposes what a waste of time and money going there is.

flush hard........it's a long way to Drexel University's new Earle Mack School of Law.

the definition of ghetto.

Anonymous said...

Yes I am sure I want to go to law school... since I was 3.""


How many times have you heard this line?

√Ź wanted to wait for a call from Hudson since I was 3.

Anonymous said...

There's a blog by a woman who interviewed with Axiom''s San Francisco office and was impressed with their office in the Orrick building with white shag carpets and a bevy of bit job babes under 30 juicy candy for the bosses!

It is pitiful.

She says she didn't get the job and after they told her only 1 out of 61 people get a job from their interview.

Is this Axiom the most ridiculous ego trip for the bosses, who sold out to a hedge fund greenhill?

At least when the normal agencies call you you usually have a good shot at the job and they really have something (except for Helene Diamond, Shawn Treadwell, and Sara Kim).

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Anonymous said...

Lol...you ppl are pathetic..sanitation workers have it better than you...sadness..

Anonymous said...

How are Lisa's teeth and dental work?

Any new developments with Parrot Nose Heather B. the Pfizer Paralegal who interviews all the lawyers?

Anonymous said...

Downturn Hits Harvard Law School, Forcing Coffee Cuts and Clinic Moves
Posted 6 hours, 53 minutes ago
By Debra Cassens Weiss

Even the venerable Harvard Law School has been hit by the recession.

The school is cutting its budget in ways big and small, the Harvard Law Record reports.

The law school expects to cut back on conferences and symposia because law firms are reluctant to sponsor them. Four legal clinics were moved from neighborhood locations to the campus, and three staff positions were eliminated. Library hours could be cut, along with the hours of dining facilities. And a dozen employees were laid off last spring.

The school is also cutting some of its “most conspicuous and controversial luxuries,” the story says. Free food at student events will likely be trimmed back. Free coffee will be served only until 10:15 a.m. rather than noon, and will be available in fewer locations.

Anonymous said...

EP Dine "The Dine Group's"so-called Benefits Package is worse than anything you can buy online.

They get a big kickback.

I couldn't figure out why it was more expensive than something online. But they made it clear you should sign up if you know what's good for you.

he he he.

Anonymous said...

Harvard University endowment loses 27% this year.

What?

The market is up 200+ points for 2009, and Harvard's idiot endowment is losing money.

So giving money to this school is like throwing good money after bad.

Anonymous said...

what is Parrot-Nose Heather B. eating all day that makes her be such a b-----?

or does she have a continuous period?

someone buy her some Kotex!

Anonymous said...

Drexel is a dump. They are also on the top law school forum spewing their propaganda.

Anonymous said...

Please stop using the word 'ghetto' I find that term very offensive.

Anonymous said...

Drexel has both a law school and a medical school. How many schools have both? Not many.

Anonymous said...

Drexel is without a doubt at top 30 school in the northeast region.

Anonymous said...

Drexel is definitely top 3 in Philadelphia

Anonymous said...

4:23 That's the problem. Parrot-nose Heather is NOT eating. Maybe if she ate something she might feel more stable and not want to butcher every hapless temp that walks in her door.

Anonymous said...

My advice to 3:19, as an older lady, would be to learn to such dick and marry rich. I did not want to suck dick, hence, I temp. That's the only skill you will really need to know.

Anonymous said...

Drexel epitomizes all that is wrong with ABA and its accreditation policy. Now way should this self-aggrandizing diploma mill should have been opened.

I'm sure there a bunch of cushy admin and law prof jobs created off backs of the mouthbreathing retards that make up their 1L class who are financing this "education" 100% on loans.

Anonymous said...

Universities in Nigeria that have Law Faculties



1. Abia State University Uturu. P.M.B. 2000 Okigwe, Abia State
2. Ahmadu Bello University.
Zaria. Kaduna State

3. Ambrose Alli University.
P.M.B. 14, Ekpoma, Edo State

4. Benue State University Makurdi. Benue State
5. Delta State University PM. B. 1, Abraka. Delta State
6. Enugu State University of Science and Technology P.M.B. 1660, Enugu. Enugu State
7. Imo State University P.M.B. 2000 Owerri. Imo State
8. Lagos State University. Ojo. P. M. B. 1087, Lagos. Lagos State
9. Nnamdi Azikiwe University.
P. M. B. 5025, Awka, Anambra State

10. Obafemi Awolowo University.
Ile-Ife. Osun State

11. Ogun State University P.M.B. 2002, Ago-Iwoye, Ogun State
12. Rivers State University of Science and Technology PM.B. 5080, Port-Harcourt, Rivers State
13. University of Abuja P.M.B 17, Gwagwalada F.C.T. Abuja
14. University of Ado-Ekiti P.M.B. 5362, Ado Ekiti. Ekiti State
15. University of Benin.
Ugbowo. PMB 1154, Benin City. Edo State

16. University of Calabar.
P.M.B 1115, Calabar. Cross River State

17. University of Ibadan.
Ibadan. Oyo State

18. University of Ilorin P.M.B. 1515, Ilorin. Kwara State
19. University of Jos.
P.M.B 2084, Jos Plateau State

20. University of Lagos.
Akoka. Lagos. Lagos State

21. University of Maiduguri PM.B. 1069, Maiduguri. Borno State
22. University of Nigeria.
Nsukka. Enugu State

23 University of Uyo P.M.B 1017, Uyo. Akwa-Ibom State

Anonymous said...

Great, are they accepting applications for the kids from Scarsdale? Things are a little tight this year so they're trying to save money. Besides, who needs a JD when you can just go to a university in the third world for pennies on the dollar?

Once you make it through the rigors of the Nigerian legal training, you will be on the fast track for a partnership at Cravath or S&C.

Anonymous said...

There are people in Nigeria?

Anonymous said...

Oh my, that list of Nigerian schools is scary! I have never heard of ONE of them.

In the usual Third World (first tier third world) they have lots of U.S. branches like NYU or American U.

Nigeria has no people? Try 150 Mil. Even with AIDs the retards there reproduce like rabbits, for export to your backyard.

Anonymous said...

Please stop using the word 'ghetto' I find that term very offensive.""

Another Howard grad using their old lines.
öffensive"
"racist"
"but how can you say that"


Ghetto is an Italian word from Venice, from the word borghetto.
Diminutive of borgo or "borough". In German borgo is burg and in Hindi Puri.

It is used all over the world to mean enclave. But some blacks will claim it is targeted at them.

There's no business like race business.
Right Mr. Hussein?

Anonymous said...

Wikipedia says: Urban areas in the US can often be classified as "black" or "white", with the inhabitants primarily belonging to a homogenous racial grouping."

oh but I thought "we are the world""we are the children"?

And we know how friendly the Nigerians are. They will cut off your white head like Dr. No.

Anonymous said...

CNBC and the business channel are running a series about how people should take free internships after graduating from law school and pimp U.S. grad schools.
With an unduly inflated head and their worthless piece of paper they spent and borrowed a fortune on, they tout on the show how they work at big name places like GE and Kodak.
This reminds me of the temps who will take any pay rate so they can say they work at Bloomberg or Dechert. And wear a suit to work impressing everyone at home and the whole Nigerian/Indian community. "He is a Dr. of laws lawyer at a big company."

Anonymous said...

Obafemi Awolowo University.

Thanks for telling us about this.
So prestige!

Anonymous said...

Drexel's new law school was only founded in 2006 (due to the acute shortage of lawyers and law schools recognized by the ABA) but they are still here trolling about their great rep.
Don't they not even have a first graduating class?

The ABA wants the max number of lawyers and law schools. Because more power to them.
Same as a political party.

Anonymous said...

"He is a Dr. of laws lawyer at a big company."

Babu, keep your hate to yourself. You and your colleagues are why the rate is plummeting.

Anonymous said...

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Anonymous said...

Where did the internet bank scam originate?

Anonymous said...

11:35 I actually like the Nigerians, but you write these letters well - very funny - you forgot to put all the degress this time!!

Anonymous said...

Drexel University's new Earle Mack School of Law.

Earle Mack is such a legend in the law of the likes of John Jay and Benjamin Cardozo.

Anonymous said...

Did the Nigerian Supreme Court Judges get 30 million dollars?
December 16, 2008 · 1 Comment
By Adeola Aderounmu.

Michael Aondoakaa should prove that he didn’t give the Nigerian Supreme Court Judges 30 million dollars. I don’t know if I should ask him to go to court to seek redress on this allegation or not. I mean, if he is alleged to have paid that sum to secure the validation of a bastardised election-the worst in human history, what else would he get from the court if not another victory?

The Leadership Newspaper definitely have no case even if they can prove that the judges got 30 million dollars to use their feeble minds rather than their hollow brains in the shallow judgement that they delivered-giving victory to an illegal president. An election that is not credible and which does not even exist has been used to produce a dishonest man as an imaginary president, thanks to a special supreme court Nigerian style. With all these fake arrangements, why would anyone go to court in Nigeria these days…?

The most annoying comment is when the Minister said that the government of Nigeria would not take away the freedom of speech. That is a very senseless comment. Who cares if the government takes away the freedom of speech? How will the government do that? Close all the television stations? Close all the newspaper enterprises? Close down all the internet services? Block all the blog services? Arrest all foreign-based bloggers as they arrive at the airport for holidays in Nigeria?

Michael, you can take everything away but never threaten people with the freedom of speech. There will be nothing people like you can do to stop this onslaught on thieving politicians and shameless looters like you.

What have you done with your position and influence? You continue to shield notorious looters like Ibori both in Nigeria and in the UK. You are not even ashamed. It is only in Nigeria that corrupt and bad people like you are seen in public services.

Nonsense!

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Anonymous said...

Yes i am a moron just like all the other uenmpoloyed tepmproary contgingtent partime TTT doc review grunts, i own a ps3 and use it 24/7 when im not eating Taco Bell or watchig American Idol.

Anonymous said...

What is a ps3?

Anonymous said...

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Anonymous said...

What happened to the list of sweatshops that Tom used to list up front?????

Anonymous said...

I just heard that even Better Coder is unemployed now. In fact, he was kicked out of his SoHo loft and is now living in a refrigerator box somewhere underneath the Queensboro Bridge, with two homeless guys, "Pinky" and "Raul". Better Coder sold all his clothes and now has a full-length beard, and is getting by digging through dumpsters for soda cans and selling blood at Lennox Hill Hosptital. He now goes by the street name "Four Eyes".

Anonymous said...

I spent $150k on Hofstra (a good school to me), have nonperforming student loans, have no job, have child support because my ex convinced the judge how rich I am "all lawyers are rich". When I tell them about my $15 working for B, the judge yells at me to join a partnership like that's an option. They act like I am deliberately having low paid work to avoid child support and alimony.

I feel like I have been sold a false bill of goods in life. I am at the end of the road and ready to hang it up. In the temp world people would be happy about this freeing up a potential clicking chair.

My life is worth nothing.....

Anonymous said...

"$15 working for B"

Can you please explain this? Is an agency really paying that little?

Anonymous said...

What happened to the list of agenices engaged in questionable practices?

I guess with jobs being sent to India, it makes less sense to berate the agencies that put bread on the table, eh?

Or, did they threaten to sue you?

Anonymous said...

I don't mean to dis anyone's alma mater, but I've always thought of Hofstra as the school in the NYC region that people go to if they don't get into their first ten "safety" schools...

It's big enough to be a "name" school but that's all it is. It doesn't have a shitty reputation, but neither can anything good be said about it. Millions of middle class "strivers" stand in line to go there, but not one famous person I can name ever graduated from there, at least in law. From the looks of it, they probably charge waaaaaay too much, and probably deliver a mediocre education, with a few scattered exceptions.

Is it better than Brooklyn Law? Probably, but that ain't saying much.

I'm not from the NYC area either, but the last famous Hofstra student, I think, who made national news was Colin Ferguson, the Long Island Railroad killer.

And he was pre-law, I think.

Which doesn't say too much about the school.

Anonymous said...

Hofstra better than Brooklyn? Are you on crack?

Anonymous said...

As a matter of fact, I'm doing speedballs with ecstasy and hashish tonight, combined with a little bit of Angel Dust. Thank you for asking.

Don't really know the scoop about NYC area schools. I hear a lot of talk about BLS here, but I am *very* skeptical in general of any law school that is not connected to a university.

Hofstra is, BLS isn't, so I think Hofstra has the prima facie advantage. They have the rebuttable presumption of superiority simply because they have the wherewithal of a large, respectable academic institution backing them up... while BLS, however "good" its reputation might be, seems to reek of a standalone "Potemkin Village" set up by greedy lawyers to extract money from willing suckers.

Don't know... I may be way off on this. But this is how it *seems* to me.

Anonymous said...

So, you must not like New York Law School.

Anonymous said...

At least NYLS is in Manhattan, while BLS is in Brooklyn... Brooklyn has always had a reputation of being maybe the roughest borough of NYC (or perhaps the 2nd roughest, after the Bronx.)

The word "Brooklyn" just conjures up images of greasy pizza joints populated by sketchy guys named "Vinnie" (btw I am Italian-American)... hooded rappers with big gold chains... nasty accents... Either those things, or especially back in the day, nerdy Jewish kids hailing from Eastern Europe with no social lives.

I'm not saying NYLS is a great school (actually I have a cousin who went there for her JD and to NYU for her LLM)... but at least it is located in NYC's poshest borough.

Not that I'm an elitist or anything. I'm just a realist who understands that the legal profession is elitist and these things fundamentally mean something in the legal world, like it or not.

Anonymous said...

The only thing that fundamentally means anything in the legal profession are US News rankings. BLS is tier 2, while the Hof and NYLS are tier 3. Suck it.

Anonymous said...

Whenever I hear the words "Brooklyn Law School", I can't seem to get the image of Joe Pesci in "My Cousin Vinny" out of my mind.

I think NYLS has the benefit of being mistaken for NYU, which has been discussed here before.

Anonymous said...

SEYMOUR GLICK IS ALIVE BUT SICK.

Anonymous said...

GIVE BROOKLYN LAW SCHOOL TO THE NIGERIANS AND NAME REV. SHARPTON AS THE DEAN.

Anonymous said...

GIVE BROOKLYN LAW SCHOOL TO THE NIGERIANS AND NAME REV. SHARPTON AS THE DEAN.

Temporarily Yours said...

Hofstra, Brookly Law School - what does it matter where you go if you are going to end up working with low-level ghetto biaaatches???

Actually the worse school the better, at least that way your expectations are not that high - and you can make the adjustment.

Anonymous said...

4:49. I think I gave Better Coder a $1 the other day - he looked a little scruffy but he said life was not very different from working in the S&C sewer - actually he seemed kind happier...

Anonymous said...

I guess according to your geographical location theory of what schools are good Bronx High School of Science (best high school in the country) must be bad/ghetto, and Pepperdine must be the creme de la creme.

It's no brains like the temps blogging here which makes the Hudsons and Lexshitlution's of this world possible.

Anonymous said...

Yeah, that's a pretty dumb commment - that just because Brooklyn Law School is in Brooklyn itis inferior to NYLS or Hofstra!! That is just plain dumb - people are not that stupid.
New York Law School is in Manhattan but it is TOTAL shit - some students I met from there were not fit to write a Facebook introduction let alone a brief.

Anonymous said...

By the way, I have not yet gone to law school but will - and even I can do better than NYLS graduates.

There is no point in getting a law education from there - might as well get one from Nigeria - less money.

LexCorde said...

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Anonymous said...

"I have not yet gone to law school but will - and even I can do better than NYLS graduates. "

Going to law school is such a good idea.

No one else has thought of this. Just everyone and his brother.

A lawyer. A dime a dozen. Every other person a lawyer.

"I'm just doing it cause it's a good thing to have. I am going to do something else. I am doing pro bono."

Anonymous said...

I can't believe how dry the temp market is at the moment...I don't think it has been this bad since February. Looks like I'll be squandering my unemployment check on Dutch lessons in the near future to have a shot at something.

Anonymous said...

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Anonymous said...

"I have not yet gone to law school but will - and even I can do better than NYLS graduates. "


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Anonymous said...

Here's how to reform legal education in America:

1) Cut back the ridiculous 3-year program to a 2-year Master's Degree. Make it a J.M. instead of the phony-baloney "doctorate" JD which is only really used in the US and just a tiny handful of schools outside the US.

2) Require that any school offering the J.M. must be part of a full-fledged college or university. Close all the phony-baloney "standalone" law schools like BLS, NYLS, Golden Gate, Southwestern, etc. These bogus schools were set up by coteries of greedy attorneys wanting cushy jobs as law professors, exploiting naive youth with the promise of a subprime law degree from a Potemkin Village fart-in-the-wind law school.

3) Before taking the bar, all J.M. graduates would have to complete a mandatory one-year legal internship or "clinical program" concentrating on the day-to-day practical aspects of practicing in a particular state.

4) Crack down massively on outsourcing of legal work to unlicensed foreign attorneys; clearly define what constitutes legal work (this might even be done by federal legislation) and then prosecute anyone who violates, or assists in violating, this law.

5) Strengthen the ABA, make it more democratic, and create a "National Bar Exam" which would be more difficult to pass, but allow fast-tracking to all US state courts by way of a pro hac vice petition.

Anonymous said...

"Strengthen the ABA, make it more democratic, "


No!
Why empower an institution that is the source of the problem.
Typical lawyer snail thinking.

Get rid of the ABA.
Move to oure federal government licensing scheme with nationwide practice.
Abolish all LLM acceptance.

Your other ideas are ok.

Anonymous said...

7:49 AM

OK, I agree.

Either democratize the ABA (my first choice) and make it truly responsive to members' priorities, or perhaps better, abolish it altogether because it has utterly failed at representing the rank-and-file of the legal profession, particularly young lawyers.

Anonymous said...

3) Before taking the bar, all J.M. graduates would have to complete a mandatory one-year legal internship or "clinical program" concentrating on the day-to-day practical aspects of practicing in a particular state.

Essentially this is what happens before you get a higher paying job. That is if you're not a permatemp.

Anonymous said...

3:14

The mandatory internships would be paid, albeit not at a large salary. State requirements would be met if a certain number of hours are completed in that year.

At least this, combined with the 2-year law program, would allow law grads to stop paying money, and start earning money and paying down their debt, after 2 years of legal education rather than after 3years.

It would also make up for the woefully inadequate practical training at the vast majority of US law schools.

Naturally, the top achievers, law review students, etc. would tend to get the internships with prestigious BigLaw firms.

Alternatively, you could work for a smaller firm, a government agency, or a non-profit.

Grads could go through a "match" similar to the "Match" for medical school graduates, which places them into postgrad internships/residency programs.

Anonymous said...

So how is it that Med schools do it? There's actually a shortage of doctors? ( I knew I should've suffered through those labs!)

Anonymous said...

There is no shortage of doctors because theoretically (and in practice, more or less), the number of graduating MD's in a given year equals the number of PGY-1 slots in internships and residency programs.

I know a lot of doctors, and the only unemployed doctors I know are ones who are unemployed by choice.

Anonymous said...

I also agree with the person who suggested abolishing the LL.M along with the JD.

In my scheme (I'm the one who wrote the original 5 proposals), you could also have specialized J.M. degrees, such as Intellectual Property Law, Criminal Law, Environmental Law, etc., in addition to the basic "General Law" J.M.

A specialized J.M. would entitle you to take the same Bar Exams that a graduate of a General Law program would take. The only difference is that it would make you much more competitive for a job in your chosen field (if you have a chosen field that early), as soon as you graduate.

With a specialized J.M., you'd be more likely to be selected for a specialized internship or clerkship in your field, say, doing Environmental Law.

In a General Law J.M., both years would consist of typical generalist legal courses.

In a specialist J.M. program, the first year would be the basic courses, and the 2nd year would consist of the specialty electives.

Anonymous said...

Enough with the boring talk - who cares. No one is going to get jobs anyway -- where's the juici gossip, what's up with Big Mamma, did Clovester get laid??? Did Valvina stab anyone else - what about that crazy associate at S&C did SHE stab anyone else??? Come on people - where's the dirt???

Anonymous said...

Guess no one wants to talk about Big Mama!

Anonymous said...

I dreamed a dream that one day I would become a permatemp!!!

Anonymous said...

If you don't go to a Top 20..whats the point?

Anonymous said...

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Anonymous said...

Looking for Romanian speaking house cleaner to assist in cleaning and serving at a dinner party.

Will be needed this Friday (Sept. 18) from 12pm - 10pm.

Please call 917-417-1550, for further information and interview.


Compensation: $20 an hour
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Anonymous said...

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Anonymous said...

Even though I desperately need a job, I dread a call from some of the more ghetto recruiters. They shriek in my ear, giving tons of attitude and getting offended at even the most basic questions such as location and pay rate. I am moving away from these cunts to more polished recruiters -can't stand these bitches.

Anonymous said...

I hear you

Anonymous said...

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BNC said...

http://www.cardozo.yu.edu/MemberContentDisplay.aspx?ccmd=ContentDisplay&ucmd=UserDisplay&userid=10340&contentid=10310

Class of 2008 Employment Statistics

The overall employment rate for 2008 graduates 9 months after graduation is 94.3%, and the “at graduation” employment rate is 74.5%.*

As the charts below reflect, Cardozo graduates are very successful in finding employment in their practice areas of interest, both in the private and public sectors. Of 57.8% of the class who entered private practice, nearly 58% are working at firms of 101 attorneys or more.

Students who launched their careers in the public sector chose among a broad range of positions including: district attorneys’ and public defenders’ offices, public interest organizations, government agencies and judicial clerkships.

The average and median salaries** by employment category are as follows:

Job Type % Average Salary
Median Salary
Law Firm 57.80 $127,369 $160,000
Government 7.65 $58,467 $57,027
Judicial Clerkship 4.59 $50,175 $50,556
Public Interest 10.40 $49,067 $49,600
Business or Industry 19.27 $81,361 $80,000
Military 0.31 $54,000 n/a

The average and median salaries*** by firm size are as follows:

Firm Size % Average Salary Median Salary
501 or more 36.51 $155,942 $160,000
251 to 500 11.11 $157,619 $160,000
101 to 250 10.05 $149,211 $125,000
51 to 100 6.88 $95,500 $70,000
26 to 50 7.41 $85,833 $66,250
11 to 25 9.52 $75,273 $65,000
2 to 10 18.52 $62,042 $60,000

*97.8% reported employment status.
**70.1% of all employed students reported salary information. ***88.9% of those employed in law firms reported salary information.

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