"In a move that is sending shudders through the global BigLaw community, Rio Tinto has hired a team of Indian attorneys in an effort to cut by 20 percent its annual legal budget of about $100 million."
And it's not just contract attorney work anymore.
"Although outsourcing legal work to India is far from a novel concept, Rio Tinto is bypassing law firms and outsourcing legal work directly. Plus, not just legal processing but substantive legal work is being handled by the Indian attorneys it retained through CPA. Thus, the Rio Tinto move represents 'a fundamentally new way of working,' the Times article explains."
http://www.abajournal.com/news/biglaw_firms_shudder_as_rio_tinto_retains_legal_team_in_india/
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Rio Tinto is an Australian mining company, which mines and sells metals all over the world. I would imagine most of their big transactions are international in nature, so advisors on international law could be qualified to help, no matter what jurisdictions those attorneys are licensed in. (I assume we are talking about transactional attorneys here and not litigators.)
Generally, though, attorneys well-versed in international transactions either have degrees from respected "international" schools like Georgetown, Oxford, LSE, etc. or have built up reputable international practices.
The idea of using cheap Indian attorneys to replace international transactional lawyers is interesting, novel, and scary, but in a very chilling sense, is logical, since the jurisdiction where the attorneys are barred in isn't the most critical element in the mix, unless they are actually litigating.
I wouldn't get too worked up about it. This has been happening for a long time. They use them -- it becomes a fad for a while -- and then sometimes the quality is not high or they just prefer them closer and the shift back to NYC or DC.
I used to work in project finance and it happens all the time.
These are occasional experiments.
Don't sweat it...
I am Indian. I was born there but educated here since I was 16. Trust me India is becoming a fad, these companiesn are going to try it out for a while, scare big law firms into cutting their rates and come back to BigLaw.
The quality of education is much higher in the US-nothing beats it.
I hate to ask -- as I have ranted and raved at him in the past -- but whatever happened to Better Coder??
Maybe he is actually working now instead of posing
You get what you pay for.in this case it's non native english speakers, non jds and those trained in a vastly different legal system.
They should send Big Mamma to India --
I am the Indian guy again -- they speak English very well, and are very smart and hard-working people but the kind of training and sophitication you get in a big city like New York is unsurpassable.
And I say this even for other lawyers in the US, in Kansas, or Arizona, they are no match for BigLaw/NYC. It is a is a mean, ruthless machine, but also very sharp and sophisticated
Maybe Clovester can find a woman in India -- because like Tiny he will feel more confident there thinking that some poor brown lady will take an ugly white man because of his whiteness.
Yeah, like I said before, just because some women have extra SPF in their skin and are darker does not mean they are retarded. No brown/black/white/rellow/red/green woman will EVER take smelly Clovester or penis-challenged Tiny.
Please tell us who is this Tiny????
What did Big Mama at Sullivan & Cromwell have for lunch today?
Big Mamma sucked Fig's dong for lunch..
Yep, it's pretty incestuous over there -- they are all doing each other--uuuuuuuugh, gross, phew
Like someone said earlier -- caged animals mate better--
they don't get out much or evn see the sun -- they are sick sexual pervs...peeking out from behind wonderboxes!!
One staff attorney, thin as a rail, her arms were the size of my pinky, used to eat a lot of pies and cookies and then throw up in her caseroom in a bag and leave it there...
What (or whom) did Snuffy over at Cravvie have for lunch today?
Who's Anita?
does this increase the pressure on law firms to set up protectionist approach under ABA rules? After all, they are cutting out law firms too.
does this increase the pressure on law firms to set up protectionist approach under ABA rules? After all, they are cutting out law firms too.
Rio Tinto has a brain!
Not dealing with Strategic and DeNovo bitches.
Well their service will be better than DeNovo's Nigerians utterly unqualified.
what's the difference between using Indians or using Nigerians in New York?
They're both clueless and will never find any helpful docs.
ooga-booga!
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“How’s that a strong basis in the evidence?”
This could be fun
It's called natural selection.
But of course affirmative action interferes on this by giving a job and fireproof to anyone who went to Howard or says the N word was used.
It makes sense that Rio Tinto is doing this.
BigLaw is mostly a creature of the USA, and as the USA (and the American dollar) becomes relatively less important on the global scene, in comparison to rising countries like China and India, there is no reason whatsoever that international companies should be locked into using US law firms to do their international transactions.
BigLaw, like BigBanking and BigAutos, is another American anachronism -- an example of the failure of the topheavy American corporate model in which a top tier of "winners" -- greed-motivated corporate executives -- rape their companies and exploit lower tiers of workers to fatten their wallets.
Besides the fact performing american legal work by untrained, unlicensed foreignerd is illegal, its just stupid.
I would imagine that Rio Tinto will deeply regret its poor decisionmaling.
I would be shorting their stock. If I was in the planitffs bar, I'd be thinking of potential causes of action due to this highly reckless activity.
"Besides the fact performing american legal work by untrained, unlicensed foreignerd is illegal, its just stupid."
Where did it say in that report that this is "american legal work"?
Rio Tinto is an AUSTRALIAN company!
When will Americans stop thinking that the entire world revolves around them?
10:24
Rio Tinto is based in London and Melbourne. It is a dual-listed company, listed on both the London LSE's FTSE and the Australian Securities Exchange.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rio_Tinto_Group
Where in that mix do you see "America"?
Also:
"On February 1, 2009, Rio Tinto management announced that they were in talks to receive a substantial equity infusion from Chinalco, a major Chinese state-controlled[7] mining enterprise, in exchange for ownership interest in certain assets and bonds. Chinalco is already a major shareholder, having bought up 9% of the company's ownership in a surprise move in early 2008."
If you look at the chart on the Wikipedia page, most of their subsidiaries are in Australia, UK, Brazil, South Africa, etc. with only a couple in the US.
China has more of a claim on Rio Tinto than America, and by the way Chinese industries buy much more ore from Rio Tinto as well.
10:24: It's one thing to post stupid comments about Big Mamma another to post totally idiotic stuff on Rio Tinto or outsourcing. Do you homework.
"american legal work by untrained, unlicensed foreignerd is illegal"
This is a totally stupid statement - Rio is not American and even if they were they can hire anyone. Dumb ass
"Aw, fuck you! Fuck the lot of you! Fuck you all!"
eating curry right now...
i want to marry a beautiful woman in another caste.
as an american law school graduate (re: from the great 3rd- 4th tier), i am basically an untouchable...
is it hot in india ? i will bring my air conditioner...
12:29
The temperatures are hot, the curry is hotter, and the women are hottest!!
And LPOs are smokin'!!! Come on along, join us, and we will conquer the US legal market!!
Bharatmata ki jai!
Long Live Mother India!!!
betty coder sucked my dick after I pumped his ass
You're right. It would absurd for Rio Tinto or any other company to outsource american attorney work to india.
I would suggest that anyone that wants to make $ should shorting rio tinto stock.
They are just cheap, foolhrady goons and are headed for the gutter.
Where is Better Coder??? I hate that motherfucker but still I miss him???
I heard that Big Mamma was to go to India to supervise this project - but the Indians said they had enough wild boars there...
1:42
When Big Mamma flew out to Bangalore, the team leader Rajiv mistook her for a cow, and ordered the team to throw rose petals at her feet.
I heard that Big Mamma was to go to India to supervise this project - but there's already 200 million starving people there, and they don't want another 100 million.
what happen to better coder?
There was also another problem. The FAA called Sullivan and informed them that they couldn't put Big Mama on the Boeing 777. The runways at Newark aren't long enough.
1:33
Are you kidding? Rio Tinto is one of the most profitable and powerful corporations in the world. Their profits may have dipped a little bit during the global recession, so they are making appropriate cuts of lazy, unqualified US attorneys and bringing in more competent, knowledgeable, and hardworking Indian attorneys who are more humble and will work for less.
With help from the new Indian legal staff, Rio Tinto will crush all of its opposition and impose its rule over the world, including you!! You will be hired to work as a janitor's assistant in a Rio Tinto warehouse on the outskirts of Maputo, Mozambique.
I am off to the catch the Hampton Jitney. Have a good weekend everyone.
Oh, and to all of you that you are working this weekend with no overtime, thanks for all your hard work!
4:51
Jitney? Jitney??!
We KNEW you were involved with the LPOs!!!
Hamptons Chutney???? Chutney???
Better Coder, Recruiter and Beer Guzzler ARE ONE PERSON - and they are off to Hamptons Chutney [New Joisey boardwalk more like it] !!!
Ta, ta, phonies....
LOVE THE BIG MAMA COMMENTS!!!
I once took the Hampton Chutney but there were all these thin pale chicks on it throwing up ..
It was one big Bulimic Chutney!!!!
The Indians will make chutney of Big Mamma...
When Big Mamma went to India to supervise the project -- the starving Bengali fisherman HARPOONED her ass thinking she was the whale...
Chutney, Chutney, Chutney -- I'm off to the Hamptons Chutney...
When Tiny went to India they gobbled him thinking he was masala SHRIMP....
Chutney, Chutney, Chutney -- I'm off to the Hamptons Chutney...
When Clovester went to India, The Indians realized they had a new weapon against the Pakistanis -- the deadly STINK BOMB!!!
Fuggedabouit!!!
The next time I eat with Big Mamma I am going to toss the table like that crazy New Joisey housewife!!!
Chutney, Chutney, Chutney -- I'm off to the Hamptons Chutney...
When Gaylard went to India, he was sent as a gift to appease the Taliban who are notoriously fond of pretty boys....
H. Rodge Cohen declined the government's request to serve at Treasury. In exchange however, he offered to drop Big Mamma's fat ass on North Korea.
You've just got to love all of the sleazy David Perla and Marc Ross types here hyping these deadbeat lpos.
What's the matter guys, no decent law firm want to hire you? Nothing but third rate schlock and a race to the gutter.
LPOs are for third rate losers.
LPOs are the Future... They will rule and lazy American lawyers will be destitute, begging with tin cups!!
Get used to it! LPOs will shake the foundations of the American legal industry and put hundreds of thousands of parasitical US lawyers out on the street, as bums begging on the Bowery. They will be winos, shooting up with heroin and contracting HIV, Hep C, living out of cardboard boxes, and being admitted as revolving-door psychiatric patients in various NYC low-end hospitals for their terminal depression, while Indian trained attorneys ride by in luxury stretch limos, sipping Cognac and taking their gorgeous girlfriends to the most expensive restaurants in town, throwing crumbs and nickels out the limo's windows to you dirt-poor US-trained losers, saddled with your American debt!!
Hahahahahhahahah!!!!!!
Keep dreaming! LPOs are pathetic slop shops, fit for the unauthorized practice of law.
It has drawn attention to the horrible effects that racing to the gutter for the lowest price has on an economy.
They've done it to industry after industry in the USA. But the LPOs are pathetic and really cannot compete, even against TTT shitlawers.
Short Rio Tinto shares!
"Aw, fuck you! Fuck the lot of you! Fuck you all!"
Whenever anyone says anything interesting or provocative on this blog, or something that really inflames anyone's vested interests here, as 9:49 did above, "Dave Moss" chimes in with his "Fuck the lot of you!" mini-rant, and stops the train of the thread.
"Aw, fuck you! Fuck the lot of you! Fuck you all!"
Tired of ABA mail?
I just moved, I'm sorting out paperwork, and the amount of junkmail from the ABA is insane. I just sent them this email, in case y'all want to do the same:
To: service@abanet.org
Dear Sir/Madame at the ABA,
I do not intend to join the ABA, and would like to be taken off your mailing and phone lists for two main reasons:
1. When you called a couple years ago and asked me to renew membership, I asked the person on the phone if there was a way to do this without all the solicitation and snail mail. She said something to the effect that she would put me on a low-mail or no-mail list. However, I soon started getting more solicitation for insurance and other products, confirming my belief that the ABA is essentially a business auctioning off it's members to other businesses.
2. I cannot afford your membership fees or any of the products for which you send solicitation due to what I believe to be a very self-serving and unethical decision of the ABA that caused me to be unemployed for 6 months and under-employed for longer. Your decision to say that document review could be outsourced to other countries and performed by non-US admitted attorneys making a fraction of the hourly wages caused a huge drop in document review projects in the US, as well as a drop in the quality of document review work performed. This was clearly a decision to benefit partners of law firms who benefit from these low wages, at the expense of US attorneys, clients, etc. I am disgusted with this decision.
Please take me off your mailing and call list immediately.
My address is:
. . .
My phone number is:
. . .
Bring in more Nigerians on New York jobs.
They're so well qualified.
Go Rio Tinto!
P.S. I like Dave Moss.
I have court ordered child support, still have $80,000 in student loans, and have no job except a temp call for 1-2 days.
Is there any real doubt as to whether I made the right move going to Hoftsra LS?
All that bought me was a ticket to nowhere and huge debts, and higher child support, since my wife's lawyer convinced the judge that all lawyers are rich.
Good letter to the ABA above.
What is the benefit of being a member of this sell-out organization anyhows?
With their India decision the ABA showed it is just a tool for the big law firms.
3:45
You're actually in worse shape now than before you started law school?
I wonder if you can give a law degree BACK to a law school, in return for having your school debt discharged?
I realize it doesn't make any sense legally, as the school is a third party beneficiary of the contract between the lender and the student, and not one of the parties to the loan, but I wonder if somehow this could be justified.
The other thing about having a law degree is that it actually renders people "overqualified" for a lot of non-law white collar jobs -- in a lot of professional settings, such as government contract negotiations, procurement, public policy, business management, business analytics, etc. -- having a JD can be just as much of a liability as an asset. Often a job applicant with a law degree is rejected for those kinds of jobs because working around an attorney in a non-legal setting sometimes makes people feel uncomfortable -- they think that the extra professional qualification might allow that person to "leap frog" over them for promotions, once his foot is in the door -- so why not reject him now, keep him out of the game, so that he doesn't become a threat later on?
That and just a general dislike or disregard for lawyers, or a perception that JDs expect higher salaries and might bolt at the slightest whiff of an offer of a law job -- make many white collar employers reluctant to consider people with JDs and especially with bar admission.
It's a lose-lose situation for many attorneys. Can't find a job within the profession because of the fast-shrinking market; can't find a job outside of the profession because the law degree is like the proverbial scarlet letter hanging around your neck.
No, the school is not just a third party beneficiary. In the case of New York Law School, they ARE the actual loan company. Matasar serves as both dean of the law school and chairman of your law loan company! Figure that one out.
4:12
That's a huge conflict of interest, for obvious reasons.
"With their India decision the ABA showed it is just a tool for the big law firms."
Then why would big lawfirms permit the wholesale exporting of their work to a foreign country? It's clearly not in their best interests.
I don't buy the argument that biglaw is too timid to question their clients in moving work abroad.
7:19
Because the company that outsourced the jobs bypassed the BigLaw firms. The BigLaw firms had no say in it at all, and neither did their pawns in the ABA.
When BigLaw partners want to outsource the work of peon associate attorneys, to improve their own bottom lines, they do so with the willing connivance of their puppets in the ABA.
But when big multinational corporations want to improve THEIR bottom lines, now Rio Tinto has shown them that they can just bypass BigLaw and contract directly with India.
And as it says in the article, the BigLaw firms are forced to cooperate with the Indian attorneys, or risk hurting relations with their corporate partners even more, leading to more circumvention.
The ABA and biglaw are both puppets on the string of corporate America. You dummies give way much power to the biglaw stooges. They are merely hired paper pushing bitches.
The timidity article is laughable. You need to come up with something better.
It's clear the ABA has failed in its primary mission - to help develop and protect the livlihood American lawyers.
If the ABA was doing its job, instead of being a low grade gizz rag for the dishonest corporations (run by baby boomers) that have gutted our economy, then low grade, LPO sweatshops would be outlawed from doing American work.
It's time to stand up for the legal professoin, before it collapses under its own greed like so many other American industries.
These liberal, weak, baby boomers have got to go.
These boomers can think again if they believe that they are going to be pampered through their old age after gutting our country from the top down.
I'd rather live in a cardboard box than work seven days a week for the next fifty years next to smelly curry cooking LPO Indians. You ain't getting any Medicare tax money out of me. You can choke on your own vomit.
Where is Father Eamon?
Yes, time to pack up the baby boomers en masse and ship them alternatively to old folks homes and India. In the former they can rot with tubes up their noses while reliving their glory days during the 60s and in the latter they will seek their spiritual enlightenment amongst the slumdogs, Bollyowoodians and LPO sweatshop workers.
This will snowball. Yes, this company is Australian, but they're an extraction industry and a bunch of greedy fucks. It's Anglo-Saxon capitalism. Remember, Rupert Murdoch is Australian.
I can see Corporate America eventually outsourcing most transactional work to India. Contract drafting, contract review, structuring mergers and acquisitions, etc. will all go to Indian attorneys earning 1/6th of the pay of American attorneys.
For those who say that this is unethical, illegal, violates bar rules, etc., etc., blah blah blah, this thing already has taken on a life of its own.
I don't mean to bag on immigrants, but 30 years ago who would have said that there'd be 12-20 million illegal Mexican workers in the USA?
You might have said then, "But crossing the border without a work permit and immigration clearance is illegal! Yeah, there'll be some illegal immigration, but the INS will put an end to it! They'll CRACK DOWN!!!"
Seems that didn't happen and the immigrants kept coming. Why? Mainly, it wasn't because of a bunch of bleeding heart liberal civil rights attorneys and activist groups. That's what Corporate America WANTS you to believe. The flood of immigration from cheap-labor companies happened because CORPORATE AMERICA wanted the cheap labor here, pure and simple.
Just as Corporate America had its way with admitting cheap labor into the US, trampling over laws, the Constitution, regulations, and the will of American citizens, so too will Corporate America eventually bamboozle enough people to secure the mass outsourcing of the legal profession to cheap labor countries.
By the way, I'm actually laughing at all this because I, too, am an immigrant who wasn't born in this country, and what I see is a Republic that has sold out its own people and is on the fast track to its own demise.
All you foolhardy Americans that keep supporting the conservative right and "libertarianism" are in effect selling yourselves and your way of life down the river, while patting yourselves on the back and cheering for "conservatism".
White Anglo-Saxon protestants brutally stole this country from the Native Americans, so it is fitting that the perverted, greed-driven system they have created on this continent will finally self-destruct in an orgy of chaotic infighting and selfish grasping.
11:39
In your dreams.
No matter how many illegal Mexicans flood the country, no matter how many Indian lawyers take TTT shit lawyers' jobs and even if there will be 12 Obamas governing this country in succession, the top layers of the pyramid will remain an Anglo-Saxon stronghold.
While Indians and Chinese lawyers can and will easily replace low-skill TTT shit temp work, you will never see them penetrate the premium, elite legal brass ring (= biglaw associates and partners). Exception being AA hires maybe. Also, the elite baby boomers have already taken the appropriate measures to secure the next generation of American, Anglo-Saxon-based aristocracy.
When any other race pushes out the Anglo-Saxons - that will be the day!
Almost every great idea and tool is invented by the Anglos, despite being 10% of the world population.
They will stick together and wherever they operate from, that place will be the world power.
The Asians, Arabs, blacks, and Latins never invented ANYTHING. Except going back 1,000's of years ago to find something.
Whites have always emerged the greatest leaders and innovators in this world. A great society should consist of white leaders who hold the top executive, decision-making positions in business and finance. Financial compensation thus ought to be at the highest rate for Caucasians accordingly in this natural order.
Asians are the best workers out of all races, being obedient, studious and disciplined like no other ethnicity. The best fitting position for Asians and Indians is to support the white leader by doing the leg work, such as doing the math in the background of financial operations or scientific research. I have no doubt that Indians could make greater doc reviewers than faux-entitled middle class whites as long as their obedient attitude is intact. Unlike other minorities, Asians also respect whites and know their place in society, which is clearly below the white Anglo-Saxons.
Blacks and Hispanics are best fit for doing low-skilled labour tasks, such as in factory and fast food jobs. It's been proven that many blacks and Hispanics still didn't succeed naturally when a higher affirmative action job opportunity was handed to them. They also consistently exhibit more primitive, less civilised behaviour such as being unreasonably loud in public, having the tendency to engage in criminal activities or having an unhealthy, greasy diet and no table manners.
Whites have emerged as the leaders because frankly they are the SNEAKIEST. They are the ones most comfortable with being cuthroat and ruthless but able to coat it with a veneer of "civilization".
The other races are way too open and honest -- they are who they are.
Hey all,
Busy rest of the week for me. Another typical 16 hour work weekend. The only highlight was an exquisite dinner at Nobu last night. Had some excellent sashimi and a bottle of Kame no O sake by Wataribune. It is, of course, a dai ginjo sake.
Best
Better Coder
4:25
Where do non-Anglo-Saxon whites fit in your pecking order? I mean the Italians, Greeks, Poles, Irish, Russians, Czechs, etc.?
I assume they're a notch below the Anglo-Saxons and Nordics -- smart enough to get shit done (sometimes), but too lazy, erratic or duplicitous to really be trusted?
Your caste system is really chilling -- sounds like "Brave New World".
Hey Better Coder is BACK!! Hey lover, what's going on!! Although you are a loser proud to be working on the weekend -- most people make enough money working in the week - it's all good.
Your dinner sounds fab!! Hey lover are you single or gay or do you have a girl-friend. Reply soon baby boy!! I want to have your child!!
As far as I am concerned ALL human races are pure 100% shit. They are all nasty, vile, they all shit/fart, lie, kill, pillage, are UGLY, envious, greedy, stupid....
All men are God's children...
May God have mercy on all of us...
Father Eamon
The thing about Better Coder is that, like him or hate him (and I'm sure most hate him), all indications are that the guy is real... he's not BSing us. There are some people who really do make a good living at this shit. It would make sense that eventually one of 'em would end up on here, create a blog, and start bragging on himself.
What's the big deal? The agencies do have their favorites, people who are very dependable, competent, always show up for a project, do everything right and don't argue.
Those people often go far in the coding world... as far as they can, which is not too far. They may be able to be make some serious bling doing this shit, but outside of this, there's no future, because coding experience counts for absolutely jack.
Still, BC is what he is, he's good at it, and for now at least (before someone named Rajiv eventually snatches his job), he's raking it in and living large!!
Better Code is an obvious flame.
Nobody who does this crap for a living would waste precious money on a bottle Kame no O sake. For one thing, so many of us are buried under mountains of student loan debt, are struggling to afford outrageous individual health care premiums, and are fighting to keep our heads above water in some of the most high cost of living areas in the country. Anyone that actually has money wouldn't choose this work, but would rather gain experience in low paying shitlaw.
For another thing, aside from the naive lemmings that are blinded by a free slice of pizza or a taxi ride home at night (perks that only exist in a bustling economy), most people that do this kind of work are beyond burnt out. I'd rather be able to take a Sunday off than spend a couple of more hours at work sitting in a stuffy insane asylum so that I would be able to afford a fancy bottle of Sake.
Better Coder has no car payments, because he lives in the city. Like some of us fortunate people, he has no student debt. Don't know if he takes any trips anywhere... when I was coding my biggest discretionary expense was trips to Europe where I met my girlfriend.
Now the market seems to be heating up again (slowly) so doc review may be coming back. Just in time for me to quit my vomitlaw (one step above shitlaw) gig and get back into coding.
Vomitlaw is a good term.
Does anyone hate the S&C taxi desk boys as much as I do???
What the hell is wrong with these weirdos?
1:23
Over at Cravvie, Skeeter knows that they have taxi desk boys, girls, and ladyboys....
Yeah, being proud of being a "better coder" is like being proud you work in a Honduran sweatshop.
You shouldn't be there in the first place and if you are it should be short-term -- only enough to figure out a getaway plan.
You would obviously have to have a a very strange or drugged out personality to do that on a long-term basis.
Most normal people feel indignation, they speak out and get blacklisted and move on.
If I were him I wouldn't be displaying this lowly status as a badge of honor.
Better coder can only impress those new to the temp world or the unemployed who look at work even in a sweatshop as desirable.
To the normal people in the world, this is an appalling job to have in the long-term.
And there is nothing to be proud of it at all.
I don't know if a shit-picker-up would display his job so proudly. There are some things that one should just hide. Like being happy to pick up dog shit ot being happy to code.
11:40 - that's an excellent question and I will tell you exactly where non-Anglo-Saxon whites and other non-decision-making whites (i. e. middle-class state school "strivers"; TTT; generic middle Americans in general) belong.
Many non-decision-making whites actually have a false sense of entitlement and believe they belong into the ruling class layer of society on the sole grounds of their ethnicity alone. However, since they cannot compete against the Asians in higher-level jobs when it comes to skill, intelligence, work ethic and attitude, they fall right below the Asian in the greater scheme of things.
But the false sense of racial entitlement and their tendency to "strive thru spending" serve a crucial role for the ruling-class Anglo-Saxon whites - their racist and consumerist behaviour serves a safeguard to ensure that the position on top will continue to be held by fellow whites - even when they themselves fall below the Asian professional tier. The decision-making whites still profit from the lower whites' spending behaviour and the lower tier whites are also instrumental in spreading subtle, largely unspoken white-supremacist propaganda among the middle and lower classes.
In affluent Western Europe, non-Anglo Saxon whites also fall below the professional Asian and generally belong into the blue-collar, working class group alongside with assorted Africans and other non-white Europeans such as Turks and Albanians.
I agree with 12:47.
"I'd rather be able to take a Sunday off than spend a couple of more hours at work sitting in a stuffy insane asylum so that I would be able to afford a fancy bottle of Sake. "
So true. People who do this are usually depressed. I know a few people who loved going to work on the weekends because they were severaly depressed losers who were depressed and they dreaded being at home alone. No one liked them or wanted to hang out with them - they had no joy in their lives.
Sitting in front of a computer was a way to avoid thinking about their pathetic lives.
Asians are not ahead of whites in western societies. They're only better than the blacks, arabs, and hispanics.
There's no Asian Bill Gates, Steve Jobs, or Warren Buffet. Not one famous Asian in the finance world in US or Europe. But they're OK as lower cost drones.
Show me one man who does not shit or fart and I will show you one superior human being.
Otherwise you all are pices of shit
2:44 Even though I am a minority I must say you have some interesting ideas.
You are spot in about the cracker whites. They are generally not as smart or hard-working as some colored folks but see themselves as more entitled because of their whiteness.
But you should see how they bow and scrape when I open my fat associate wallet and throw $100 tips in their face.
Poor losers...
2:48 said "There's no Asian Bill Gates, Steve Jobs, or Warren Buffet. Not one famous Asian in the finance world in US or Europe. But they're OK as lower cost drones."
Ha, ha, cracker. Just because you don't know their names does not mean there aren't any.
Gates may be a rich guy today but he started off as a sneaky nerd stealing other people's ideas. I don't know about Buffet [I like Jobs, though] but there is something too likeable about the guy that I don't trust. I can't even make $10 by being so Niiiiiiice - I just don't buy it....
Children, please....
All men are God's children...
I pray for all of you...
May God have mercy on us all....
Father Eamon
I hate Big Momma, but I hated that ugly taxiboy/ladyboy Colin MORE!!!!
Sorry Father....but I just had to say that...
Are they still giving car rides home at big law firms. I heard they were putting an end to that?
2:58
Obviously dude has never heard of Jack Ma, Masayoshi Son, Vinod Khosla, Ratan Tata, etc.
I think Better Coder is one HOT smokin' ladyboy.
My momma used to tell me to marry a doctor or lawyer but I think coder is the way to go.
Where can we meet up fella??
I agree 3:08.
He is just a lame crackah -- like the other low-level whites he writes about probably just farting around on his inflated sense of whiteness with no substance.
I'm surprised he can even read or write and even has an Internet connection.
Better Coder is going to GO CODAL soon.
He, he, can't wait....
3:14 - He *does* seem to be living the life of Patrick Bateman from "American Psycho".
The only superior color is GREEN - the color of money.
All of you are lame bastards....
and I apologize in advance to Father Eamon...
Children, I urge all of you to keep peace within your hearts...
I understand your fustration at those that seek to exploit you or deamn you but try not to fight amongst yourselves..
There is no shame in being temporary - in a sense we are all temporary on this Earth...
I had a busy day at Church and was just preparing to watch re-runs of Masterpiece Theatre while enjoying some tasty treats brought in by Sister Marie-Francis.
But I will pray for you before I indulge in these sinful delights.
May the Lord be with you...
Father Eamon
Amen, Father, Amen
If I peeed in a bottle of Kame no O sake by Wataribune and presented it to Better Coder, I am sure he would not know the difference.
If I rolled a dog's turd in some boiled rice and presented it to Better Coder at Nobu I am sure he would not know the difference.
If I sodomized Better Coder he would not know the difference. he gets that everyday by BigLaw.
"Aw, fuck you! Fuck the lot of you! Fuck you all!"
"Aw, fuck you! Fuck the lot of you! Fuck you all!"
"Aw, fuck you! Fuck the lot of you! Fuck you all!"
If you plan on attending a church service, please inform me 48 hours in advance in writing. When you are working for me, the elite law firm client and I are your God.
Oh, and thank you for all your hard work.
Better Coder was originally a fry cook at Better Burger. One day they asked him to deliver an order to a law firm in midtown.
He saw all of the people lined up by the computers, clicking at the e-mails on the screen. They ordered by seamless web and received their meals for free, courtesy of the firm. Better Coder desperately wanted to leave the frying area and become one of the chosen, a doc reviwer.
So, much like the fake architect Wayne in "Something About Mary", Better Coder invented a glamorous, but fictional career for himself.
Sadly, Better Coder is no longer a fry cook at Better Burger, he got fired for stealing credit card numbers and cell phone numbers from actual document review attorneys. He took his fantasy too far and tried to steal the identity of actual DRAs.
So all of the meals at Nobu and other fancy joints are being charged to a real DRA's credit card. He's living a lie.
Watch out for Better Coder, he's a fraud!
Better Coder is more real than fake.
There is no big reason to believe the guy is a fraud. What is a fraud is when people come on here attacking someone who is successful at what he does, and has the temerity to talk about it.
My personal opinion of BC is that the story is essentially real, although he might be exaggerating certain details around the edges, just for effect.
People who come on here attacking the guy are doing so out of one motivation only: JEALOUSY.
They simply cannot deal with the fact that there are people out there who are more successful (or more lucky) than they are.
Actually with BC, it's probably something like 20% talent and skill, and 80% luck.
The guy has no law school debts and two trust funds, so he could relax and make decisions calmly after graduating from law school, instead of accepting the first shitlaw job offer he got would have landed him in a hellhole.
Obviously his grades weren't good enough to land him a BigLaw job, but he made the most of his situation. He liked the NYC lifestyle enough to not want to move out to suburbia or some second-rate, smaller and less competitive job market.
He stayed in NYC, accepted coding jobs, worked long hours and got in good with the agencies.
He got in at the right time, when coding jobs were still plentiful -- I mean before the bad economy hit.
Even when firms and agencies pared down and cut back, the coding jobs didn't disappear altogether. This guy stuck with it and persevered and got on the "A" list.
Why should people begrudge the guy if he knows the game, got in at the right time, puts in an honest day's work, and likes to live it up a bit in his downtime? That's just normal behavior.
I mean, the guy knows his limitations. He's not coming on here and saying he's an 18 karat gold associate with BigLaw or anything. He's a coder, he's not whining about it, and he's making the best of his situation.
I say "more power" and "props" to the guy.
"He worked long hours and got in good with the agencies."
"Hi, Agency!"
Coders really are f'in dimwits.
Clearly better coder is making fun of all the coding pukes that really do think they're better than any one coder on any coding project (we have ALL met him or her).
Simply put, there hasn't been one project in any city in any lawfirm, since the miserable shit was created that any half brain stoner high school kid couldn't perform efficiently and accurately.
He's hilarious. And better at nothing more than causing you dumb F's to get your panties in a wad.
Bettercoder has no freakin' class.
I would like that recruiter broad to blow me.
8:44 wrote some of The weirdest and dumbest shit I think I hAve read on this site. What the F is he/she talking about?
Father Eamon, I walk through the valley of the Tom the Temp blog. Please protect me.
11:18
I will protect you, my son.
Benedicat vostre omnipotens Dei, Pater, Filio, Spirito Santo. Amen.
Go now in peace.
"having a JD can be just as much of a liability as an asset."
Have you actually tried applying for jobs that don't require a JD? They'll hire you if they think you'll stay. So put something in your cover letter about how you want to change professions or whatever.
Also, it's not that hard to find a job as an attorney paying 50K or so at entry level. After 6 months you should be at 60K or so.
Quit wallowing and get over yourselves. It's not that hard to find a job, but it does take some effort and having to deal with a little rejection.
12:36
I was the one who wrote the post you answered. Thanks for the advice, and it is good advice (generally). BTW, I am already working and making 63K.
What I mean about your advice being "generally" good advice, is that the idea of saying you want to change careers will be credible for some, not so credible for others. There are a LOT of variables in this, such as:
1) Length of time you've been working as an attorney (too long might work against you)
2) Whether you'll be working among people who are likely to be put off or threatened by your law degree
"Aw, fuck you! Fuck the lot of you! Fuck you all!"
beerguzzlingtemp said...
Bettercoder has no freakin' class.
beerguzzlingtemp said...
I would like that recruiter broad to blow me.
For the first time I agree with this loser beer guzzler. Right on bro...
Thanks for agreeing with me.
"Aw, fuck you! Fuck the lot of you! Fuck you all!"
Shut up Dave Moss - you are one stupid fuck -- even stupider than recruiter whore
"Aw, fuck you! Fuck the lot of you! Fuck you all!"
You are a lame loser--
"How fucked up you are!"
Hey Ricky,
Are you hot? You must be one sizzling temp attorney...no???
Howdy...faggot!
Wassssssup ladyboy????
Beer Guzzling Temp: I just saw your profile and realized that you are looking for a non-attorney woman. That is me. I am not a lawyer. And I am not a fat chick either. I work-out quite a bit and some would call me svelte.
I am desperately looking for someone like you and happy to pack sangwiches {sic} and drive to the Jersey shore.
Holla at me lover -- I am alone too!! And I love fat comfortable boys who code!!
10:34 toots, you sound perfect.
Let's go BGT, what place, what time?
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