"Document Review Superstar
International legal support company which performs document reviews and other back office legal work for large law firms seeks licensed attorney with a minimum of 2-3 years experience to act as in-house coordinating counsel. Position involves spending 2-3 months in India helping select and train experienced Indian lawyers who will be involved in doing document reviews and working on ongoing document reviews from India (emphasis added). Thereafter you will be return to NY or another major American city to supervise those projects remotely, with an office at our client law firm, interacting with lawyers at that law firm on their projects.
Minimum Requirements include: US Law license (any state), 2-3 years performing document reviews, 1-2 years experience supervising document reviews, experience in a variety of litigation settings and competence in more than one document management, litigation specific, software program.
Compensation includes competitive salary, health and life insurance, 15 days annual leave, as well as performance based consideration.
Please submit cover letter and resumes to: legal-jobs@hotmail.com
http://newyork.craigslist.org/mnh/lgl/699487208.html"
65 comments:
Yep, it's over for us now. They are so brazen , it's clearly not a situation where the genie can go back in the bottle. I wonder, how many Indian nationals are currently enrolled in US law schools? Is there a way to throw them all out of our country before they steal our jobs?
The only positive note in all of this is that the agencies slobs will be largely detroyed too. Sure, there will always be some lowly backstabbing American attorney or used car salesman type greedily accepting the business for his Asian counterparts, but more and more the entire process is going to be moved offshore. Maybe this will force Joan King of Brookyln Law School and some the other TTT dreamcrushers out of business, too.
Who knew, it's like the movie "Independence Day" for the American document review/e-discovery community. Except of course there is no one like Will Smith or Bill Pullman to save us.
Having to spend a few months in India sounds horrific. Guess it'd be a great way to lose weight though.
India is an awful place. Aside from the Taj Mahal, I think India is probably at the bottom of the list of places that most people would like to visit. It's dirty, they have a horrifically unjust caste system, and it's a place that is just rife with corruption and poverty. It's also at a place that is at the crossroads of the War on Terror. Any company that is dumb enough to send their sensitive documents over there is likely to have their information snooped upon by a foreign intelligence agency (including our own). I am sure the Chinese and Russian governments would just love to find out about the latest secret innovations of American corporations and would use Islamic/Chechnya/Xinjiang/Tibetian "terrorism" as a ruse to conduct Indian foreign intelligence. Who knows how far this can even go? Blackmail of US corporate and gov't officials? It's all crazy.
1:30
You should work for the Bush administration so that we can invade India and cut off this "crossroads of the War of Terror." They may have DMDs, Documents of Mass Destruction.
I have been doing doc review for some time and I have never seen a really sensitive document. Doc review is just a scam where everybody makes a buck.
It is a fact that some doc review work has gone and will go overseas, but I don't believe that every law firm will send their work overseas.
I have seen a ton of sensitive documents, even on 1st level. When you review thousands of documents a day, you are bound to come across something. I have read about products harming people, scientific developmental studies, and embarrassing CEO sexual rendezvous.
147 - let's face it in the next couple of years it will become routine to export doc review and around 90% of the work will be done abroad. The era of the doc review attorney in US is almost over. We will look back fondly and say, wow, they paid me $50 per hour to do that?
Sadly, for many of us there is no other hope for employment and there will be a need for retraining of lawyers to seek new careers. Get a real law job or get out soon, this barrell is heading over Niagra Falls...
ITA 2:01. The things I have seen are truly shocking and could certainly be used in a nefarious way by foreign entities, etc... The greed and stupidity of these people whom this info. could be used against is startling. In a way though, I kind of wish it on them ya know? I would love to see one of these people be publicly devoured by the process they are fueling.
Foreign document review will also be used as an excuse by insurance companies to get out of paying insurance litigation claims.
"You used 3rd world indians to unsuccessfully defend your multi-million dollar claim, and now you want us to pay?"
it's not a matter of whether they win or not, the litigation insurance companies would rather pay the lower indian LPO services that big firm rates in NYC. They will save millions and probably encourage it.
It's just dollars and cents and there are so many people in India, they can tap into highly skilled "attorneys" from top schools to perform essentially paralegal work. Here, they get low GPA TTT grads or foreign born attorneys anyway, so it's not such a great leap to send it offshore at a far cheaper rate.
I agree, it's an incredibly short sighted and poor decision. But American corporations have made many such decisions based on quarterly profitability and little care for the American worker. It's sad, but it's just the continuation of a trend that started in other industries. Law too, has become just another business. I'm not sure if we've reached the tipping point yet with the LPO's, but we're close.
WTF am I paying bar dues for and having to go to CLE for. All they do is take the little $ I have. They provide me no protection at all. Not like the AMA that protects its own. The ABA and the state Bars, Supreme Courts, etc... just eat our young and are killing the rest of us off.
I remember the Sallie Mae P.R. person was on here awhile ago. If your still listening, can you please instruct your Indian customer service reps as to the meaning of the word "amortize"?
2:26
If you are such an expert on the preferences of litigation insurance companies, what the f*ck are you doing on a website for "low GPA TTT grads or foreign born attorneys" anyway?
"I have been doing doc review for some time and I have never seen a really sensitive document." -- 1:47
Dude, if you really believe that, then you aren't looking. I have seen CEO's SSN, credit card info, home phone, etc., I have seen massive quantities of porn sent to very senior people. I have seen docs discussing shady financial deals, etc.
3:18pm
Dude, What's the big deal about CEO personal information? You can get that information online and from a variety of sources anyway.
Sharing porn online, who would have figured that?
Shady financial deals, I never would have imagined.
But you are probably right when you say that I am not "looking." After a while, all these documents look the same and my default position is to click NR and move on.
Why all the hate on India? India has some of the world's best looking women. See http://www.webindia123.com/personality/women/deepika_padukone/deepika.htm
Also, the food is great. Chola on 232 East 58th Street is awesome. Try the briyani.
lol, of course Indians are good people, it's the corporations that are taking the jobs from us and exporting them offshore. They would be foolish not to do the work that is being hand delivered by the greedy multinationals. We all want the same things, but as US trained attorneys we expect some backup somewhere along the line, but all we get is our jobs being shopped around the world to the lowest bidder.
So Indian food is great, but keeping our jobs at home is a lot better.
The Indians are not great people. Read about their repressive caste system and how they spit on and treat undesirables like dogs. A place that fits quite nicely with the values of the multi-nationals.
Yeah, they are into honor killing too like our wonderful Muslim brothers.
Repressive caste system? Spitting on undesirables? Sounds like you're talking about the USA.
doc review, superstar,
who in the world do you think you are?
From the Kirkland project:
Some old crotchety grandpa got pissed that someone was on a cell-phone so he came over and pushed him.
7:24 Did you guys scream, "Fight! Fight!" You guys truly are children. WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!!
At least you'll have fun getting around Mumbai. Cool camels, auto rickshaws, scooters, overcrowded trams! Yeah India!
http://www.flickr.com/groups/india_images/discuss/73845/
Don't get mistaken for a Dalit in India though or your fun will end fast.
We are the Dalits of the legal world in the United States.
WAHHHH! "Our" jobs are no longer! WAHHHH!!
What are you unemployable shits going to blog about, then?
So nice to see all of the "wars" you waged is working out for you. Pun intended.
Hi Roach boy!
SO where is the union when we need it. Now is not exactly the best time to strike, but unions also push policy and practical reasons on both the companies and the government not to off shore jobs. I know none of you wants to do this sh*t long term, but a union would help even short timers and ensure that this type of work is still there as a fall back position. When is the meeting? Where are the union cards?
UNION--UNION--UNION
packing for india right now !!
I applaud your desire, but are you willing to become the union organizer and get the ball rolling? Start by reaching out to the NYC Bar, NY State Bar and other orgs. Set up meetings with AFL CIO or other appropriate union would be a good start. They can probably help get us organized.
Get the union started and report back with details.
Ask not what you can do for your fellow temps, ask your fellow temps what they will do for you. You selfish bastards would keep clicking even if the temp next to you dropped dead of a heart attack.
Hell's yeah 1:15. As long as I am billing, I'm chilling like a villian.
When, oh when, will Pakistan finally nuke India?
When all this shit gets outsourced, people will be lining up by the hundreds to provide Joe Fig with five cent lapdances.
I picture the SS Shitlaw sailing the Atlantic bound for NYC with a cargo of 1000 Indian attorneys chained to the floor. On deck at the helm is Capt. Cooley.
Joe Figs makes Jobba the hut look slim and Bernie Goetz look politically correct.
Re: 3:22 and Leslie Firtelle is wearing a locket and on the bow with her arms outstreched singing a Celine Dion song.
If one has unlicensed law school graduates doing document review in the U.S., there seems no objection to have unlicensed law school graduates doing document review elsewhere so long as they're "as good" and there are adequate confidentiality and privilege protections...
That doesn't mean I like it, I don't, but I also don't like buying goods made in repressive countries (and not always easy to find out especially with food) -- it's just another example of globalization. In particular I agree with there being issues over confidentiality and privilege (does Indian law, as distinct from mere contractual agreement with document review company, provide adequate protection?) but I've seen some horribly unprofessional -- but admitted, licensed -- domestic lawyers in document review who were still kept on the job. A foreign-trained lawyer could hardly do a worse job!
437 - that's just a ridiculous justification for outsourcing. Keep blowing the horn for outsourcing, soon there will be riots at the law schools and picketing in front of outsourcing firms and corporations that use them.
Can we get that giant rat to put outside firms that use outsourced attorneys?
4:37 Hamlin, Germany called they want their Pied Piper back.
Actually it's Hameln or Hameling but who's counting...it's supposed to be a beautiful place. Far better than Mumbai!
There couldn't be a population more deserving of having their "jobs" (as they aren't real jobs, just TEMPORARY- an ill understood concept here) go to India.
11:00 - The only silver lining is that your job is going to India too. Maybe then you will go back to your true calling as a washroom attendant.
Great rant on bathroom attendants. http://www.nycrants.com/comment.php?entryid=25
Avon Bistro at 155 East 52nd St. (btwn 3rd and Lex) is awesome. Amorous Annie works Friday nights dishing double pours of single malt scotchs, Oban, Belvennie at dive bar prices. This former Economist intern speaks fluent French and Russian.
Sorry, 1:50- I don't work as a legal disposable tool panting for the next abusive agency call so my kids can eat. I'm in a real union, thanks. Good luck forming yours! The perks are pretty good.
yes, you and your fellow washroom attendants are unionized. Sounds like excellent perks, free hand lotion and towel folding seminars.
zzz....zzz .... more third rate unemployables proving why they can't get temp jobs.... same ol', same ol'
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Washroom attendent is a stable career! How could they outsource that? They can't outsource peepee and poopoo, can they? And someone has to make sure these slobs wash their hands after touching their units and/or wiping their bungholes.
They couldn't outsource any of this to India, anyway - they don't have washrooms there. Hard to have washrooms when there's no sewage system.
Better keep this conversation low before Joan King, Dean Matasar, and the Teflon Dean get wind of it and start a campaign for the education and licensing of washroom attendants......
This is the stupidest thing I've ever read here 9:51. I just started reading this blog because my wife got a job at a big firm making us some nice dollars for the summer and I heard about it. Are you 7 years old?
I was thinking of going to law school but now I'm not so sure. If I can't score a big firm job I'd shoot myself if I ended up like the retards/temps here with no job prospects.
Maybe some of you are just down on your luck, but I doubt it.
In defense of contractors, keep in mind that many people take up document review for reasons other than not landing an associate's job.
Some of us are retired from general practice. Document review is a nice gig for those who want semi-retirement status, and it sure pays a hell of a lot more than being a store greeter. Some of us want to leave the profession. This is a good way to keep making money during the transition period. Some of us are working moms who need the flexible hours.
There are plenty of "retards" on any large document review, but in my experience, there are "retards" at any firm or organization. The only thing you can do is deal with it, because odds are you will never be in a position to get rid of them.
10:18 - well said. unfortunately their are a lot of people on this blog that misrepresent us.
10:18 - well said. unfortunately their are a lot of people on this blog that misrepresent us.
Agreed. It's unfortunate that your bretheren find it thrilling to still use the words "poopoo" and "peepee" when expressing themselves. You can't really wonder why "attorneys" like that don't get calls from even agencies, now can you?
Re: 10:18AM comments....well said. Many of us have "been there" both in Big Law, small law, solo, and for Fortune 500 corporations (with or without J.D.). It is all about the "organization" and becoming "an organization man/woman". We've worked for senior attorneys who didn't belong there, with associates who don't belong there (and from HLS/ YLS, SLS, as well as lesser knowns). It all boils down to "people", despite the nature of their piece of paper for the brain and where they obtained it. At some point, it becomes a cost-benefit analyses. Some of us have decided it isn't worth it. We'd rather run our own show, be entrepreneurs, and focus on what makes us happy, both in and out of the law. Who is more forunate in the long run? It all depends upon the facts of your individual situation. Many of us have far more real world business and financial experience than most partners, from pre-law careers. Many of us have far more international exposure, including within the world of work e.g. just not travel junkets. Many of us reach a point where we find intolerable working for/with other attorneys with far less insight, motivation, enthusiasm, creativity, and intellectual independence and curiosity. Doing contract gigs oftentimes fits the bill, and you avoid having to suck up to others you wouldn't even cross a room to say hello, or give one jesture of civility. At some point in life, many of us say "enough" and go forward listening to our own inner voice.....and survive financially, just fine, retaining integrity and independence.
Yes, 234, I agree. Temp work/legal profession is just a pass through job for many of us. It's truly puzzling in a way, that so many "lawyers" end up pursuing something else. I guess it is really a condemnation of the law schools (which happily enable you to rack up triple digit debt and give little effort to helping any but their pet 5-10% students and the hideous nature of the practice of law . Biglaw is soul crushing corporate garbage that only a select few have a shot at and only a tiny % of those get a chance to make partner. Most are gone in 2-5 years from biglaw.
Law is just a pass through, document ruffling profession at best, that at least 80% of law school grads end up leaving. It's just not worth it for most people.
OK. So a bunch of us applied to this for ha-ha's. No one has heard back. I am betting it's a farce and some scam to get resumes and data.
Hey 10:00, you fucking genius:
"Stupidest" is not a word. Correct grammar for the concept you're trying to put across is "most stupid."
PEEPEE POOPOO FOREVER!!!
Gee 12:19 it looks like you're home during the day. What's the matter, waiting for the phone to ring?
No. My salary and benefits are enough for me and my family to NOT have to work weekends. Thanks for your concern, though.
Anyone got the time to make up a resume for a "Joe Patel" Super Doc Review Star and send it tothese people. Really curious to know if this was even a legit. advert.
the dollar is so weak, India has begun outsourcing jobs back to the USA. They just opened a call center in Atlanta.
India sucks. I went there a few years ago and it took me a year ot get that smell out of my mind.
Also, anyone see the recent protests in India where people wanted to be placed in a lower caste so they could qualify for affirmative action? Hilarious.
Nice. I will link to this article. take a look at ICanFreelance.com for any india outsourcing you need.
I am an Indian American and I find this thread extremely offensive. The reason why "Indian nationals" "steal" American jobs is because these "Indian nationals" work their tail off and appreciate the opportunities in America. Remember - this country was founded on immigration and many of the new software and pharmaceutical developments stemming from the U.S. were founded by "Indian nationals".
And though the caste system is deplorable and there is no excuse, it is similar to the treatment of African Americans and Latino Americans as second class citizens in the US.
And everyone is entitled to their opinions about India, but it is truly a remarkable place and one of the very few places on the planet with a diverse religious mix, particularly Mumbai.
Awesome tips! Thanks so much!
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