Monday, July 06, 2009

Enter The American TTT Law School At Your Own Risk!



One positive note in all of this horror is that word is finally getting out about the law school scam machine. Let's hope that as the economy recovers these numbers plummet even further.

"Law school applications were up overall this year, but they didn't surge the way many had predicted. Conventional wisdom holds that more people seek out graduate programs during bad economic times to avoid a tough job market. According to the admissions council, law school applications increased nationally by 4.3%.

"We certainly haven't seen the double-digit increases we saw in past recessions," said Yellen, who theorized that the high cost of law school and the news of law firm layoffs might have dissuaded some people from applying." - New York Law Journal, 07/06/09


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Tom check out the turd on craigslist.

3-5 years pharma experience for the old $35 shitrate. Unreal.

How many registered nurses, engineers, pilots, dentists, or MD's resort to begging for sub-poverty level shitjobs on craigslist just to eat? Make no mistake, the recent death of doc review was a watershed in this industry. The Seton Halls and Brooklyn Law Schools of the world have no where left to stick the hordes of angry, desperately indebted losers. Just think of the old days of the Hudson Newark ghetto gig, the Paul Weiss cockroach gulag, and the Vioxx petri dish. Those thousands of second-tier and lower grads who once clicked out semi-decent paychecks are now cast into the gutter with no worthwhile experience (and no jobs available even if they did have "experience"). Schools know that the jig is up: Joan King recently exited stage left and now the Valvoline Dean Pat Hobbs of Seton Hall is sucking around for the NJ AG job if his buddy Chris Christie wins the governor's race. No way these charlatans are sticking around for the coming meltdown. Like oil slicks, they'll wash up on some new beach in a few years with new scams and more insincere, fraudulent posturing.

Even better, in three short weeks the next gaggle of hapless lemmings will sweat thru the bar'zam in Albany and the old Javits Center, regurgitating the useless BarBri drivel on houseburning v. arson and 14th century property law like good little JD's. Then come August they'll burn in the summer heat of the worst legal job market (or job market period)in American history. Shit, both Hudson and De Novo are now only registering people with over a year of coding experience. Small firm insurance defense shitlaw "firms" are getting 100+ resumes for sub 40 K shitjobs that we know have no future anyway. As most veteran coders know, the "experience" card is an old shark's trick, designed to sucker newbie JD's into taking illegal-alien level wages with the empty promise of building "experience." Yet as most of us know, "experience" in insurance defense is like getting cooking experience from McDonald's: one may lateral to Burger King or Wendy's, but you sure ain't gonna be head chef at the Waldorf. Pushing bales of fender-bender shitpaper just leads to more crappy jobs pushing fender-bender shitpaper. Almost 5 years out of school, every friend I have in insurance defense has yet to see 75 K.

Maybe they can try the comical "alumni networking" events. Print a fresh batch of resumes off on that rich, creamy 80 lb cotton weave Staples resume paper, and shove them in the face of every gray-haired, drunken loser at the alumni cocktail hour. I went to one of these for Seton Hall back in 2005 and the assistant dean asked if I'd considered moving to the Midwest because "the NY and NJ markets are pretty saturated." I then asked her why Seton Hall operates a $43,000/yr private law school in NJ if the market has no jobs, and she excused herself to get another shrimp cocktail. Typical.

It's over, kids.

Skadden Farts aka Law is 4 Losers

166 comments:

Anonymous said...

Friggity FIRST!

Captain FIRST!

And First to say don't go to law school. It's a scam baby, a SCAM!!

Anonymous said...

Yeah, right. It's a scam.

I work 30-35 hours a week max (if you consider sitting around waiting to argue before a judge for 10 mins work) and pull in over 50K at an entry level position in the middle of one of the worst recessions. I have the potential to lateral after a year of work to an 80K position (or bargain for a raise). By my third year I can get a 100K position, and my salary will continue to increase throughout my career. Alternatively, I can lateral to big law at three years and get an even larger salary if I want to work the 60 hour week. If I get tired of working for someone else, I can open my own buisness (a solo practice) for under 1000 bucks. Or, at three years I can move into an easy government job with lots of benefits.

So you're right law school is one big scam. Whatever.

Anonymous said...

I forgot to add, I could temp for about 65K - 95K a year. I would have to rely on a temp agency, work well over 40 hours a week, sit around unemployed for a substantial amount of time, not be able to take a vacation (because the new temp gig is always about to start), sit in an overcroweded office with no internet when I'm working, and be treated like dirt by the agencies and firms.

But then I am working I could brag to my friends about how much money I made that week.

Sounds like a great idea to me.

Anonymous said...

You must suck because I temped for $200K last year stupid ASSHOLE!

Anonymous said...

BTW< squeez boy... unless your boss is you daddy or YOU SUGA DADDY, you aren't going to make DICK. Anythink under $125K to start SUCKS in NY ASS-Stupid_Hole

Anonymous said...

"Hi, Joan King!"

Anonymous said...

looks like the law school flunkies are out in full force today trying to put out as much pro-law school propaganda as they can in order to hide the truth.

Anonymous said...

Skadden_Farts speaks the truth. We are now at the start of the ttt death march, a disastrous "perfect storm" of relentless tt expansion, unreasonable tuition increases (with comcomitant loan tabs) and an evaporation of legal work.

The shell game is over, there will be no place to hide the debt crippled lemmings now.

It should be interesting watching the law schools squirm and try to cook their books and pull the same shenanigans. I think 2009 will be see the start of the contraction of ABA law schools. The ABA has sold our jobs to india time to start closing schools.

unperson said...

another tour de force post from L4L.

BTW, check out my lasting blog posting debunking the latest bogus employment stats, this time from the SMU via the ABA journal news-propaganda site.

PoppaSquat said...

Hey 1:03, kill yourself. SF AKA L4L hits the proverbial nail on the head again.

And 1:03, no one can laterla to biglaw after 3 years of anything. You, sir, FAIL.

Dick Matasar said...

What about me?

Joan King and Hobbs get all the attention.

Anonymous said...

NY is dying. Anyone stupid enough to still live there deserves what they get.

Dave Moss said...

"Aw, fuck you! Fuck the lot of you! Fuck you all!"

Anonymous said...

1:03 - WRONG! You will NOT lateral to biglaw and you will not get a government job. Why? Because the market for attorneys is way over-saturated to the point where those jobs are not available anymore or there are way more qualified people to step into them.

Yes, I made the mistake of law school, and at a T14 school too and have been unemployed since graduation except for shit doc review. Thank God I'm changing careers and this shit will be over for me very, very soon. No more dealing with crazy weirdo clients, cheap asses and rip off recruiters. You should do the same.

Anonymous said...

This posting is very good (talking about what a scam this "profession" is). But the New York City imbeciles can't be talked out of it. At my current job the temps complain but as soon as you ask them why they don't do something else, they say what a good gig it is and how it is better than anything else. Plus prestige to be at Quinn Emmanuel (they are lower than the janitor, who is at least a permanent employee). The "lemmings" you talk about still after all these years have the deer in the headlights look on their face.Talk about doing something different, they have this panicked look.

Think about it: If you are working with a bunch of Nigerians, you are not even on the level of your own fellow citizens. Think how low you have sunk!!

I owe over $100,000 and am in default on my student loans from Touro, have a part time temp job at $29 per hour no O/T, and have child support court ordered because my wife convinced the judge I am a rich lawyer. I am "an attorney". So prestigious!

These law schools will never close. Everyone I know from Touro says it was a waste and scam but the information just doesn't get out to people, who take the "LSAT'S" "because I can be a lawyer so I can do something else."

Anonymous said...

Temps are saying they made $200 K temping. Wow, you would have to be a real loser to be able to put up with those shitty conditions. You must not have a life - or never have had a good one. Maybe you were dirt poor or came from a TW shit country.

Because while money is important and good to have it is not that important!! Sitting in hot crowded sweatshops monitored by ghetto people and treated like six-year olds, having to deal with low-level recruiters, roaches, idiotic and unmotivated co-workers...

I have a regular job, I don't have to deal with these conditions, I work directly with motivated partners, I don't have to suck recruiter ass, I make a little less, but am treated with respect, have time to go to the gym, take vacations, spend time with friends and family. Wow the $200K temp must not have a real life or not want one.

Anonymous said...

It's usually the very depressed or the very poor who are such successful temps. Most normal people opt out.

Anonymous said...

Michael Jackson is dead.

I like his song Billie Jean:

Mama always told me
be careful what you do
don't go around
smelling young boy's fart, eewwww

Enjoy Hell, Michael!

Anonymous said...

Michael Jackson lives!

Anonymous said...

The new trend we're gonna see will be that US law schools will start trying to aggressively recruit foreign students from India and other Third World countries. They will:

1) Recruit these students to come study at their US campuses, and then go back to the Third World to suck up more doc review jobs through LPOs, which may even be financially linked to some of the law schools through corporate alliances or subsidiary agreements.

2) Some of them will even open overseas campuses in cities like Mumbai, Bangalore, Lagos, etc. (Hell, this is common enough even among second and third tier US universities -- how many people know that the University of Nevada Las Vegas has a campus in Singapore and is opening one in Dubai?)

The Yuppie Attorney said...

I don't think this is all over yet. It is comforting to know that people are not trying to escape the recession in graduate school; a mistake I made. Nonetheless, people still goto Law School to try and get a better life and $. Something more major needs to happen to get people to see Law School + Saturated job market = poverty.

Anonymous said...

The law schools and the ABA are going to partner up with the IMF and World Bank to institute an international student loan program to promote diversity.

The catch is that anyone who refuses to work for Sandrene in De Novo's new Lagos sweatshop operation and happens to default on their new IMF student loan will immediately be extraordinarily renditioned to Egypt where they will be tortured by a Islamic Mullah on De Novo's payroll.

Anonymous said...

I am dying from my school loans $100,000 (non-dischargeable in bankruptcy, thanks government-law school axis of evil) and my child support payments.

Anonymous said...

Sandrene's AMISTAD ship will be arriving at Houston Port 10 a.m. Texas time. Unloading the Nigerian attorneys with their LLM's and New York Bar memberships, and Al Sharpton playbook of things to say if you're about to get fired.

Anonymous said...

Hi New York Bar!

Thanks for admitting all these non-J.D. unqualified Nigerians.

Also thanks for your order approving doing New York legal work in India. This really makes sense.

New York Bar good that you refused to admit the AMERICAN CITIZEN with student loans.

FUCK YOU NEW YORK BAR YOU FUCKING SCUMBAGS!

Anonymous said...

Sara Kim is a rude fucking toad!

I just called her, she said she would call me be back in two minutes, and never got back to me. Learn some manners!

Anonymous said...

Pessimism never created a job.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34pQsHwN9iI&feature=related

Anonymous said...

Sarah Kim is a bitch!

Anonymous said...

"Pessimism never created a job."


Yes temps are just being "pessimistic".

That is, by describing what is really going on at the legal sweatshops.

Funny, I don't hear one person saying they are wrong, or that the conditions are different than what they say (except Axiom and Treadwell trolls who surf in here to say "I always had good experiences with _________ (fill in blank Joan King, Axiom, Alec Guetel, Update, DeNovo)."

Anonymous said...

2:30

Aren't the child support payments your fault?

If you're less than financially secure, don't have kids!!

Anonymous said...

"If you're less than financially secure, don't have kids!!"

That's why I will never be able to have kids. Stepping into my TTT law school at 23 was akin to having my tubes tied. Little did I know.

Anonymous said...

Treadwell is a jackass.

Joan King is retired and walking the streets, watch your wallets.

Axiom are a bunch of posers.

Anonymous said...

The word will only have really got out when these TTT diploma mills have 1/2 empty classes!!!

If the market really worked that's what would be happening!!

Anonymous said...

You can get a puusy pass into Biglaw with TTT credrntials...just ask some SUNY Buffalo Law grads in NYC!!

Anonymous said...

Anythink under $125K to start SUCKS in NY

Good luck finding anything over $125K buddy. It's not like you can just waltz into something that pays 125K with doc. review experience.

Anonymous said...

Bernie Madoff was smart at least in one way... he dropped out of Brooklyn Law School.

Anonymous said...

Wacko Jacko has risen from the dead!!! All hail the savior of temps!

Anonymous said...

I did doc reviews for a year and then got a job at PI shit hole in Brooklyn paying 45k a year. 2 years later and I make 55k. I've been looking to lateral to ANYTHING even remotely better for 2 years now with no luck. There are no jobs for "normal" lawyers. Everyone is looking to hire someone with ridiculous experience. The sort of experience maybe 500 lawyers in all of NYC have or they want raw newbies with no experience willing to work for 45k. The recruiters love it because they are out there competing to land one of these 500-1000 lawyers with the ridiculous credentials so they can get one of those $50k commissions, but every other lawyer in this city is basically being forced out of the profession by the crap pay and ridiculous hours and stress.

Anonymous said...

The economy is severly fucked up at the moment. This is causing the problem with moving lateral. Also, a lot of the recruiter stuff is BS. Even with stellar credenctials, there are no openings unless you have a book of buisness. The recruiters are fishing for resumes in the hope that the economy will turn around.

For what it's worth a lot of people on this board would like to have a 55K a year job. Temping ain't what it used to be and a lot of the temps are hurting.

Anonymous said...

Like Rev. Al told Michael Jackson's kids "There was nothing strange about your Daddy. What was strange was what he had to deal with."

Temps there is nothing strange about you either. What's strange are the exploitative people you ave to deal with and the sweatshop conditions.

God Bless you All.

May there be some peace and healing. And may the recruiters see the face of Hell.

Father Eamon

Anonymous said...

"Not God bless Joan King, God Damn Joan King!"

Reverand Wright

Anonymous said...

Cadwalader, the AmLaw 200 firm that leads in percentage laid off, has asked 34 junior associates to accept a one year, unrestricted sabbatical.

The sabbaticals target lawyers in the Capital Markets and Real Estate Finance groups in New York and North Carolina. Participating lawyers will get one-third of their current compensation, plus medical benefits.The firm intends to rehire these associates after a year, but no guarantees are being made.

Those who turn down the sabbatical option will get three months full severance.

A committee of partners and senior administrators will attempt to place these lawyers with clients, prospective clients, and not-for-profit organizations.

Anonymous said...

Insult to injury if you went to Villanova Law:

It is possible that some of your tuition dollars went towards hookers, by way of the ex-dean's salary:

http://www.law.com/jsp/article.jsp?id=1202432042292&Questions_Arise_After_Law_School_Deans_Resignation_in_Wake_of_Prostitution_Investigation

LOL!

Anonymous said...

A committee of partners and senior administrators will attempt to place these lawyers with clients, prospective clients, and not-for-profit organizations.

I'm sure said partners and senior administrators will be attempting to place themselves with clients, propsective clients, and not-for-profit organizations soon.

Anonymous said...

The neeeewww trend will be to get a combined JD/SJ degree.

That's right, become an attorney and a Jesuit at the same time! When you graduate from law school and find you can't make a living wage as a lawyer, and can't find a mate because you are destitute, you'll conveniently also be a Jesuit priest... with vows of poverty, celibacy, etc.

So at least you won't feel like it's all been a total waste...

Anonymous said...

No wonder law school tuition has skyrocketed!

Hookers and cocaine aren't cheap.

Anonymous said...

Villanova Law Dean: "Come here, kid. Sign this promissory note, hang out here for three years, and as these statistics from our career center show you will be on your way to a nice, respectable career."

Dean snatches money and calls hooker service.

Anonymous said...

Years later, kid fights tooth and nail with Sandrene and her low wage Nigerian posse over scraps of document review work to help pay off dean's hooker habit.

Anonymous said...

so 4:06 your tubes are tied? Thats kinda hot ;)

Anonymous said...

Government jobs are crazy. Two years ago I applied for an attorney job at the Commerce Department in DC. I never heard back, so I called then up. They told me there were 850 resumes for two attorney slots.

Anonymous said...

Skip law school, paralegal work is lucrative and all you need is a BA, a friend made 85K last year with minimal overtime and we do the same work as staff attorneys..oh the humanity.

Anonymous said...

Snuffy just told me that over at Cravvie, everytime they advertise for a staff attorney gig, they get like 1200-1500 resumes.

Anonymous said...

Guess this stat on law jobs:

What percentage of American attorneys are in solo practice, which is mostly shitlaw?

Anonymous said...

Speaking of Cadwalader does anyone remember that partner Ira Schacter beating up his wife in their upper east side home last year??? Wow, that was some story. Who would have thought a partner at such a big law firm who be a common wife beater. Google it. The guys sounds nuts!!! I feel better being a lowly person if being a partner means being such a crazed nut!!

Anonymous said...

If you are a partner at a large firm, you are allowed to beat the shit out of your wife. God forbid if you don't pay your loans.

Anonymous said...

Heard that some firms are asking the first year class to take a permanent deferrment, where they will never have to report to work in their lives, but will receive a capped salary of $75,000/year, indefinitely.

Me2 said...

Yo L4L, you're right on bro!!! I used to believe all the bs that law school fed me, no more. I've traveled the road to Damascus and have been converted. The legal profession is the most guilded, discriminatory, fraudulent and dysfunctional profession in this country. If you don't go to a top 25 school or finished within the top 25 of the non-top 25 law school you attend, then it's truly a struggle. Oh, to everyone on this board, my cousin is 24 yo and is slated to start Cooley Law School this summer. I want to tell her parents (my aunt and uncle) not to let her do it. My parents told me they would look at me like I was crazy. I want to save her soul but will they listen to me anyway?

Anonymous said...

"And may the recruiters see the face of Hell."

Right on Father Eamon....right on!

Anonymous said...

12.05 a.m.

People never listen.

Don't think it's only Cooley for Coolies. Top 10 graduates are in the shitter too.

I think it's the same everywhere.

UCLA grads more than half without jobs at graduation. So they are calling Hudson.

Anonymous said...

How is the Snufalaogaspus?

Anonymous said...

Just look at the bottom-feeding, lowlife garbage "recruiters" in this gutter industry. Fat nigger Sandrene, nasty gook Sara Kim, worthless Jew Helene Diamond, twittering fag Colin, etc. All a bunch of misfits and lowlifes.

Anonymous said...

Cunts cunts cunts cunts cunts cunts cunts cunts cunts.

Anonymous said...

They may lowlife scum, but you have stooped to their level with your tawdry slurs.

Feeling racially entitled, won't get you anywhere in this climate. Its survival mode, baby.

Anonymous said...

Quit it with the racial crap.

Sara Kim isn't a nasty gook, she is an unprofessional human being who fails to demonstrate an iota of decency.

Anonymous said...

christi Julian at update is a dumb cow!

Anonymous said...

cjulien of update is on twiiteer.

She is a dumb COW!

Anonymous said...

The only people that will make it in doc review are bipolar people and socially awkward/inept people. These are the ones, no matter how smart they are were unable to get a job in the real world as the interviewers saw right through their wierdness. The 'normal' people have have the sense and skills to get the heck out of dodge...

Anonymous said...

8:52 AM is on point..holla!!! time to get me some Golden Krust/Popeyes..mesa Jar Jar Binks..

Anonymous said...

Is there any work going on now?

Anonymous said...

1023 - sounds like you work for an lpo. Most people on doc review are normal. These daysN many are former biglaw associates.

There is just so much misinformation on this site. Comments like yours would be laughable but for the fact that it is your job top destroy the american legal industry, particularly doc review and ediscovery.

You are a fraud.

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Anonymous said...

How to get into Biglaw:
1. The usual stellar credentials;
2. Family connection; or
3. Be a hot female TTT grad from SUNY Buffalo Law and get a pussy pass.

Anonymous said...

The legal industry is dead...try being a shoe salesman a la Al Bundy..hey its summertime you can always sell lemonade on the street..

Anonymous said...

10:34

I know a hot female grad from Cooley Law, at a mid-size firm in LA. None of the guys at the firm can figure out how she got her job -- no law review, no cum laude, no moot court... But she is HOT!!! Plus, she works very close to some of the partners, and she leaves exactly at 5 pm every day!! Some days I happened to be in the parking structure before 5, and I saw her leaving at 4:00 or 4:30! She also gets all the "plum" assignments -- the most interesting cases, etc.

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Anonymous said...

I know a hot female grad from Suny Buffalo Law, who got a job in corporate at a huge NYC law firm. She had no law review, was ignored at OCI, and was Hot. Somehow she lateralled into a job doing corporate work, for which she had no experience whatsoever....but did I mention she is hot.

I wonder why she got the job???!!!

Life is not fair.

Anonymous said...

Look what that dirt bag and alleged wife beater Ira Schacter was saying back in '04.



WCS is a hybrid structure, notes Ira Schacter, a securitization attorney with Cadwalader, Wickersham & Taft. Because it mixes traditional lending with a securitization that isolates a cash flow stream, the issuer — that is, the shell company — will ask rating agencies to analyze how steady EBITDA is likely to be, and it will treat the flow as if it were a receivable subject to business risk. The magic of WCS, maintains Schacter, "is allowing companies to borrow against amortized debt on a going-forward basis."



Great idea, create "shell corporations" and complicated securitization structures so that you can trick the rating agencies. Fucking scum shit like this need to create suicide for the good of society.

Anonymous said...

what is the story with aphelion ???

Friend said...

Learn derivatives.

Anonymous said...

I dedicate the following song to John B.

http://www.youtube.com/watch
?v=LP-yuipInwY

Anonymous said...

"Feeling racially entitled, won't get you anywhere in this climate. Its survival mode, baby."

Wrong!
Affirmative is more powerful than ever.
Look at the high % of blacks and Nigerians on the temp jobs.

Anonymous said...

On this project, you are either in one of two groups. 1) laid off biglaw associate, or 2) a foreign national from Nigeria with a toilet LLM. Skin color definitely places you in a different hiring bucket.

Anonymous said...

10:32- You are so obtuse. I do not work for an IPO. I used to do doc review for quite some time until I had the common sense and motivation to get the heck on out. You are right in one respect, most people I encountered are 'normal'. They were either laid off and are looking for work, hence temporarily working in doc review. However, there were quite a number of people on these projects who lack the social skills and their behavior borders on bipolar. Call it a coincidence but these people never had a full time permanent gig after law school and these were people who have been out of law school a substantial number of years. Doc review certainly has its purpose and most people had the common sense to look for other work law related or non-related while doing this as opposed to the socially inept people who lacked ambition and motivation and treated this as a career path...

Anonymous said...

The Nigerians are scamming doing multiple doc reviews at the same time with DeNovo manager protecting them.

A Nigerian is by definition a thief.

Anonymous said...

11:48

Oh yeah, the hot female Cooley grad in LA drives a 2009 Mercedes SUV... don't know if you can top that but you're welcome to try...

Anonymous said...

Yes, it's true. I have personally heard several associates and partners tell me they would prefer to hire a relatively smart but HOT gal over a super-smart but not so hot one.
One told me that the work is boring, the hours are long and ifg they didn't have any good pussy walking around they would end up killing each other. These gals are eye-candy and possible to-be-shagged. But unfortunately for them once they do get involved with the partner and he has shagged them enough they lose their charm and in fact become a nuisance to see at work all the time. So eventually they are dimissed on some pretext or other. It may be a few years - but that's all they got - unless they have a particularly magnetic pussy or some truly evil scheme. So hotness has its advantage but also its downside. Girls with good looks but who keep them low-profile and yet are nice and smart do better in the long-run than the super hot boobies hanging out types.

Anonymous said...

"Girls with good looks but who keep them low-profile and yet are nice and smart do better in the long-run than the super hot boobies hanging out types."

and if you're just an old hardleg wtih no stroke walkin around, you're lower than whaleshit at the bottom of the ocean. No one needs you, and no one particularly wants you hangin' around.

get used to it.

when this next crop of J.D.'s hits the market,the old joke is going to come true:

Q. "What do you call a new graduate with a J.D.?"

A. "WAITER!!!"

Anonymous said...

If you are applying for a low-level job like para or staff attorney you will have higher chances of being hired if you are black than other minorities. I don't know about whites - they seem to get in anywhere.
One recruiter told me they like to have people who are docile, meek, who shut up and do the work and are not smarter than the managers and the job.
I have an Ivy League degre and needed to temp for a while, but she told me that would scare the temp hirers away because they don't want someone too smart. TAll that works well for higher-level jobs which require thinking and creativity and argument and analysis - which is something I should been doing had the economy not sucked - and not for clicking and being yes-man to ghetto attorneys. Only people who come from truly the bottom rung of society can do that for so long.

Anonymous said...

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SIGN UP AND YOU KEEP UP TO 60% OF YOUR TAKE FOR LIFE

OVER 40 HAVE ALREADY SIGNED THE PLEDGE!!

TONY'S FULLTIME LEGAL

"IF ANYBODY TELLS YOU WHY YOU SHOULDN'T WORK FOR TONY'S FULLTIME LEGAL, WE'LL TELL THEM WHY YOU SHOULD!!!"

Anonymous said...

Nigeria is the promised land.

Anonymous said...

Yeah, 3:31--that's why you don't have job: you and your ancient Chinese secrets are just too darn smart and intimidating! Just keep telling mama-san and papa-san that as your life tenure in the basement drags on . . .

Dave Moss said...

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Anonymous said...

Actually 3:54. I am not working in the basement. I never have. I tried but they turned me down saying I was too smart. I think I already told you that. I just interviewed at a major DC law firm and will be moving there if it works out. I was never interested in being meek and docile and working with ghettos. I'm sorry that you have to. But don't worry if you are super quiet and docile and put up with the roaches and timing of bathroom breaks you may get a few more hours - and you may get to work on the weekend. Wow, wouldn't that be great!!!

Anonymous said...

Stop fighting!! Joey Cappuci here again. I sez once and I sez twice, come work in my garbaaaaaage business, make some contacts with the Italian Brotherhood and buy yourself a mansion or two, a coupla hot gummans, make money and get your dick sucked at the same time. Fuggedaboutit!! Stop the hot steamy sweatshops with ugly broads and even uglier recruiters!!

Anonymous said...

You guys are all turd-bags. Pathetic pieces of shits.

Anonymous said...

Just to set the record straight. It is I, the great, semi late, most high prophet, The John Bungsolpahagus....and to the poster above who may have invoked my name and who posted the link to the "Goodbye" video....I have not posted here or elsewhere for quite some time.

With JDU going the way of the koolaid drinkers, doc review going the way of the dinosaur...and with the demise of law coming as I predicted with even more accuracy and lethal effect than I could have imagined....I really have not much to say about law anymore that has not already been said by me or the great Skadden Farts...aka Scotty Bullock or L4L.

Once again Scotty had laid it all out to the lemmings so very well but, father, please forgive the lemmings for they know not what they do when they do not heed the words of your emmissaries like myself, the great prophet nor the great Skadden Farts.

Law is a game for the extremely priviledged, connected, hot or otherwise fortunate few. It is a sucker's game for most. That is all and fuck all you fools who still seek to remain in such a wicked cesspool of an industry.

Anonymous said...

Christie Julien at update is a dumb dumbfat fat fat Cow hippo..

Call her and see for yourself!

You are a dumb fact Cow ms julien

Anonymous said...

I just fucked a lady think it was ruth madoff, no rubber. Skin on skin and the pussy was sweet

Anonymous said...

love sweet pussy

Anonymous said...

DLA Piper is laying off 20 lawyers and 100 staff today.
The layoffs are targeting the firm’s offices in Chicago and New York.
So far this year, the firm cut 22 in the Middle East; cut 37 trainees; laid off 12 lawyers in Oceania; let go 24 lawyers and 100 support staff in the UK; cut 80 associates and 100 staff across the firm; and laid off 20 lawyers and 34 staff in Asia.

UPDATE: DLA Piper has now officially confirmed it laid off 21 lawyers and 100 staff today.

Anonymous said...

This is not a porno site assholes. Find a rubber doll if you are too ugly to get a woman. Don't post your frustrations here. Motherfuckers....

Anonymous said...

I agree. Thank you for all those who have posted pertinent legal comments about the industry or even legal humor about Big Mamma etc. The rest of you porno posters - go fuck yourself!!

Anonymous said...

Most of you guys are probably sitting in your underpants in your mamma's basement and turning into ugly serial killers because ladies cringe at the sight of you. Well, too bad. Go work-out, get a facial, and start drinking some water. Looking good is a full-time job - I should know - and you are not going to find a lady sitting at hoe looking like a troll and posting sexual shit on professional sites!!!

Anonymous said...

Well, seems like this Schacter fella created quite a bit of wealth for himself by fucking us over. He is known to be weird and an asshole - more so than most partners. Most partners at least have the polish of Ivy League. This chap went to doube TTT school Nova or something in Florida. So there is hope for TTT -

Anonymous said...

hold on,,,,,
wait for it




CHRISTIE JULIEN AT UPDATE IS A DUMB FATTY COW!

BECAUSE I SAID SO said...

ALL TOGETHER NOW,

CHRISTIE JULIEN AT UPDATE IS A DUMB FAT ,,,,,COW

I AM A FAT COW,AKA CJ said...

WHO'S A FATTY COW?

CHRISTIE JULIEN,
CJUKIEN@UPDATELEGAL.COM,CJULIEN, CHRISTIE J.
OR ALL OF THE ABOVE?

air force ones said...

I am adding cjulien's twitter to as one that i follow so that i can message her to kill herself everyday,

come on you fat cow, world needs more hamburger, somewhere there is a nigerian hungry for some of that marbled belly of yours.

just do it

the world said...

dear christie julien,

i hate you, you are a fat dumb cow

her ringtone said...

mooooooooooo you fat cow bitch!!! christie julein that is

Anonymous said...

Right, 5:33--soon you'll be fermenting kimchee in the cafeteria at Patton Boggs. That is, if they can handle your brilliance.

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Anonymous said...

I can attest to the Cooley phenomenon: I went there.

There were plenty of very hot girls. The hot cheerleader types in high school.

I dated a really hot asian girl there.

For what its worth, that alone makes it a good school.

All of these hot Cooley chicks probably found cushy legal jobs; the firms could care less that its a tier 4 school, professional men are still men, we all think with our dicks: from the managing partner at a major international law firm down to the lowly coder.

In general very good to great looking people get treated better, its biology, you can't stop it.

Let these hot woman attorneys enjoy their "pussy pass", they earned it, they won the genetic lottery, but they are still lawyers, there's no looks component to the bar exam, the bar exam is blind.

Anonymous said...

Why go to law school when you can just go to a country like Nigeria and spend 50 dollars to go to school and come to the U.S and steal American jobs

Dave Moss said...

"Aw, fuck you! Fuck the lot of you! Fuck you all!"

Anonymous said...

10:49

You've heard of Boyz II Men's famous album, "Cooley High Harmony"?

Well, I get the idea that a lot of LargeLaw partners are thinkin' "Cooley Law HoFoMe"....

Anonymous said...

How is Big Mamma doing? Sullivan get rid of her yet>

Anonymous said...

That scare is still getting her FILL of S&C, and their emplorres and temps. I hear, though that she has lost her power to the white male analysts turds. All of whom were sure to have ridden that little mini yellow bus to school.

Anonymous said...

I love temping I love Clovester I love things that smell like shit!!!!!!!! I am in HELL. Clovester OOOGles all the temps in C1, espeially the ones he thinks he can bag because Gaylord supposedly has LMAO

Anonymous said...

Clovis was too fat for the tart cart. The had to wheel barrow his blobness in to the padded classroom. PU sneaking fat boy has arrived......OPEN the truck drop Door.

Anonymous said...

I think his little cruste dding dong fell off from his overchoke 80

Anonymous said...

Cadwalader, the AmLaw 200 firm that leads in percentage laid off, has asked 34 junior associates to accept a one year, unrestricted sabbatical.
The sabbaticals target lawyers in the Capital Markets and Real Estate Finance groups in New York and North Carolina. Participating lawyers will get one-third of their current compensation, plus medical benefits.The firm intends to rehire these associates after a year, but no guarantees are being made.
Those who turn down the sabbatical option will get three months full severance.
A committee of partners and senior administrators will attempt to place these lawyers with clients, prospective clients, and not-for-profit organizations.

Anonymous said...

Cooley is a great law school because all law schools suck but at least here you get T and A.
Nice firm breasts. I help girls with their home work and have my hand down their pants fingering their hot pussies.

Alusi Ego said...

OMG, so you all are mad at Nigerians who come to the USA, work very hard and sit for the two hardest bars in the world (NY & CA)and then try to earn an honest living. I thought the problem was that blacks could not work hard and now here's a bunch of blacks who only know how to compete, and crackers are mad. Well you are going to have to stay mad for life because Nigerians are gonna do only one thing they know and that is work even harder. I am Nigerian and I am sick and tired of all these crackers who walk around with a sense of entitlement. Well wake up sir, Nigerians are a different crop of blackmen who seriously believe that they are better than you, no kidding. All you do is complain about free food, free coffee, free taxi rides and etc. As for me, I am always grateful for these privileges and will gladly work without it, WHY? Because I am of the opinion that doc review is just an assistance to lawyers to raise initial capital for solo work. Your problem is that you come to work believing that doc review is your job, hence you decorate your table with pictures of your family, complain about free water and coffee, sample all the eatries in that area and yet complain you can't save. I love Sandrene, Denovo, Update, Hudson, Compliance and etc.I love the law firms that provide us with the opportunity to raise this very important initial capital for our business. Cracker, you should be grateful that NY would let you work here with your inferior bar license. If you think you know enough law why don't you take NY bar and come talk to me if you are ever licensed, bitchie dirtbag. Lastly, do me a favor and try to dress like a lawyer. Crackers come to work dirty and stinky in tennis shoes and chinos, common man!!!

Anonymous said...

Go back to Nigeria, Nigerian.

The only reason you are here is because the rich people want you here. The everyday American does not want you here. So please leave.

Anonymous said...

christie Julian at update is a fat dumb cow!!!
you are a bitch cj. FUCK YOU!

Anonymous said...

The rich elite are actually responsible for almost all of our troubles. They wealthy elite never meant for there to be an
independent middle class. This rare phenomenon has ocurres only a few times in modern history during the renanassance, with the rise of the skilled craftsmen guilds and merchant class and in post world war two America thanks to unprecedented economic growth and demand that led to employment.

If you look at it this countries troubles can be traced to the original absentee landlords and plantation owners that lived in the northeast, boston, NYC, Philadelphia but profited from slavery. They never intended there to be an independent class that could provide for themselves and have a choice in there future or god forbid the ability to say no. This still goes on today by saddling the majority of Americans with so much debt they have no freedom. Look at it even if you get a well paying job your debt from higher education makes you subserveant and provides a backdrop of fear. If you are fortunate to make it through that you likely get to the point of owing on a home and all of lives necessities through credit. That is why the pay for the majority of people is just enough to get by. We are kept under the whip.

Anonymous said...

Oh shut the fuck up~!

Anonymous said...

Yo Sandrene, I put on some weight especially on my saddlebags, I stopped showering, my hair is matted, and I certainly don't work hard or talk nice anymore.
Can I now please get a job with you???
I think I have all the requisites now!

Anonymous said...

Hi, Nigerian:
Go back to your country, the asshole of the universe where people are literally monkeys. They look,smell, and have the intelligence of apes. They aren't superieur to anyones.

GO BACK TO YOUR OWN SHIT COUNTRY NIGGERIAN!

P.S. The way you talk about other people, "crackers, bitches, whores", you sound just like an American black. But they're at least citizens! Get the fuck out of here you dirtbag, and go back to your bank account email scams.

Anonymous said...

I'm Nigerian and I agree whites do not dress up to our standard. Our Nigerian women wear these big pineapples on their heads and wear a flauncy tutu to the office. It looks real professional!

Ooga shakka oooga shakka ooga ooga ooga shakka.

Anonymous said...

"OMG, so you all are mad at Nigerians who come to the USA, work very hard and sit for the two hardest bars in the world (NY & CA)and then try to earn an honest living. "


Forgot to add:
Not only do these illiterate retards steal American jobs, but they're nasty and LAZY AS FUCKING HELL. Hard working my ass! The Indians and Chinese work hard. The Nigerians are lazy low I.Q. shits which is why their main activity in the US is crime and terrorism.

Anonymous said...

I am
Shaka obo Choosisdobe,

I have a new agency, Grand Barristers Supreme Court, I need to cash latest check received from settlement of major litigation. Unfortunate, I am in trial and unable to go to U.S.A. Bank. Please provide your social security and credit card info so that I may verify you before entrusting you with this great great sum. I will send you a fee of $2000.00 American Yankee currency if you do me this favor.
Your collegues,
obo Choosisdobe, barristers,MMDJL

Anonymous said...

"I love the law firms that provide us with the opportunity to raise this very important initial capital for our business. "

Yes "our business" drug dealing, terrorism, money-laundering, prostitution, and email bank fraud.

The Nigerian temps are the equivalent of hookers.

Anonymous said...

"Your collegues,
obo Choosisdobe, barristers,MMDJL

9:10 AM
"

I suspect this email may be a fake.

Because if you were really Nigerian, you would list all these other pseudo-degrees and licenses such as Pharmacological College of Nigeria, etc.

Anonymous said...

From the FBI website (unvarnished truth about Nigerian scum in America):

"African Criminal Enterprises
African criminal enterprises have developed quickly since the 1980s due to the globalization of the world's economies and the great advances in communications technology. Easier international travel, expanded world trade, and financial transactions that cross national borders have enabled them to branch out of local and regional crime to target international victims and develop criminal networks within more prosperous countries and regions.

The political, social, and economic conditions in African countries like Nigeria, Ghana, and Liberia also have helped some enterprises expand globally.

African criminal enterprises have been identified in several major metropolitan areas in the U.S., but are most prevalent in Atlanta, Baltimore, Chicago, Dallas, Houston, Milwaukee, Newark, New York, and Washington, D.C.

Nigerian criminal enterprises are the most significant of these groups and operate in more than 80 other countries of the world. They are among the most aggressive and expansionist international criminal groups and are primarily engaged in drug trafficking and financial frauds.

The most profitable activity of the Nigerian groups is drug trafficking: delivering heroin from Southeast and Southwest Asian into Europe and the U.S. and cocaine from South America into Europe and South Africa. Large populations of ethnic Nigerians in India, Pakistan, and Thailand have given these enterprises direct access to 90 percent of the world’s heroin production. The associated money laundering has helped establish Nigerian criminal enterprises on every populated continent of the world.

Nigerian groups are famous globally for their financial frauds, which cost the U.S. alone an estimated $1 billion to $2 billion each year. Schemes are diverse, targeting individuals, businesses, and government offices.

Here’s just a partial list of their fraudulent activities: insurance fraud involving auto accidents; healthcare billing scams; life insurance schemes; bank, check, and credit card fraud; advance-fee schemes known as 4-1-9 letters; and document fraud to develop false identities. The advent of the Internet and e-mail have made their crimes more profitable and prevalent.

How We Combat African Criminal Enterprises
The FBI participates in two initiatives to bolster efforts to combat African criminal enterprises:

The Department of Justice Nigerian Crime Initiative coordinates the federal investigations of Nigerian criminal enterprises by using joint task forces in six major U.S. cities.
The Interpol West African Fraud annual conference brings together law enforcement agents from around the world to discuss and share information about the financial frauds perpetuated by criminal enterprises whose members are predominantly West African, and specifically Nigerian Criminal Enterprises."

Anonymous said...

Don't be hatin' crackah if you aren't as hard-working as the Nigerians. I am not a Nigerian but I do think many of them are nice.

Dave Moss said...

"Aw, fuck you! Fuck the lot of you! Fuck you all!"

Anonymous said...

Enough with the Racism!

Hating on Nigerians is a proxy for hating on all black people.

Nigerians do not need a JD degree because their LL.B degree from Nigeria or their LL.M from an American law school is equivalent.

You loser white American attorneys who can't get jobs, guess you should have worked harder in law school!

Anonymous said...

Arnie Blalark at Kelly Law Registry in Philly is such a lying phony fake snakeoil salesman. Meron Hewis is even worse. She is an evil ugly hoe, who does not realize how stupid she is.

Anonymous said...

Are you on crack? Arnie Blalark is without a doubt the nicest recruiter in Philly. Meron Hewis has always been nice to me and I fail to see the reason for your venom. Get a life!

Anonymous said...

"Hating on Nigerians is a proxy for hating on all black people.

Nigerians do not need a JD degree because their LL.B degree from Nigeria or their LL.M from an American law school is equivalent."


Hi Obama!
Yes you cannot say anything about these selfish thieves ruining the country from Nigeria, stealing jobs and creating crime, or you're a raaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaacist. oooooh you're so racist!

Go to hell!
FUCK THE NIGERIANS.

While I think the American blacks are entitled and full of shit, they are 1,000 times better than the Nigerian dog-doody and much more quality and nicer people, many of whom are kindly, socially helpful, and religious. The Nigerians are blood sucking anti-Christ criminals. GET RID OF THEM.

Hi New York Bar!
Note the Nigerians here quoting the ABA.

Anonymous said...

"Nigerians do not need a JD degree because their LL.B degree from Nigeria or their LL.M from an American law school is equivalent."

Yes, didn't you know how good the Nigerian law schools are?
Attracting talent from all over the world! Such great minds!

Name one famous or even halfway intelligent Nigerian.... news flash, there aren't any!

Their country is shit because they are self centered trash people.

An LL.M. isn't the equivalent of a J.D. No major law firm in the U.S. hired LL.M.'s except from Japan, Korea, France, the U.K., and Australia, i.e. ADVANCED CIVILIZED COUNTRIES WITH INTELLIGENT HARD WORKING LAW ABIDING NON CORRUPT PEOPLE. They have real companies and their own jobs.

The biggest businessman is Nigeria is a drug dealer. Of course.

Anonymous said...

"Arnie Blalark is without a doubt the nicest recruiter in Philly. Meron Hewis has always been nice to me and I fail to see the reason for your venom."

Brought to you by Arnie and Meron.

Anonymous said...

"You loser white American attorneys who can't get jobs, guess you should have worked harder in law school!"

The above is Nigerian attitude toward the white givers who just keep throwing jobs and money at their lazy jungle asses.

Anonymous said...

"Don't be hatin' crackah if you aren't as hard-working as the Nigerians. "


Obviously someone who never worked with these people, lazy slobs with a big "you owe me whitey!" attitude and rude as can be. But DeNovo helps them along with their simultaneous doc reviews. wink, wink!

Anonymous said...

"Don't be hatin' crackah if you aren't as hard-working as the Nigerians. "


Obviously someone who never worked with these people, lazy slobs with a big "you owe me whitey!" attitude and rude as can be. But DeNovo helps them along with their simultaneous doc reviews. wink, wink!

Anonymous said...

Note no one in any way questioned the FBI website about Nigeria.

Just say "You're so raaccist" Blah blah blah. Open the Al Sharpton playbook.

Anonymous said...

"Nigerian groups are famous globally for their financial frauds, which cost the U.S. alone an estimated $1 billion to $2 billion each year."

Yes Nigerians contribute so much to the U.S.

FUCKING S.O.B.'s.

Better Coder said...

I get along with the Nigerian if he is on a priv team. Otherwise, he is simply a "first-level" to me.

Very Truly Yours,
Better Coder

Hot Ivy Temp said...

Better Coder looks better looking than most of the animals I've been working with.

Don't hate on the Nigerians. They are sweet to me. I don't even mind the pineapples some ladies' have on their heads. If I remember correctly John Galiano had a show like that.

David King said...

Skadden Farts used to be my BITCH!!!

Anonymous said...

How does Katten corporate in NYC hire women from TTT law schools with nothing on their resume?

Oh...they are HOT...so they get a pussy pass....

Anonymous said...

Nigerians are the laziest most corrupt people on the planet. Every person in that country should be stinking rich from oil and yet they are all poor apart from the top 1%........

Alusi Ego said...

Ok now I understand the problem. Whities cannot understand these crop of blackmen not wanting charity or affirmative action to advance. The fact that they are willing to do what it takes educationally at any level scares the day lights out of whities. We already understand that the greatest threat to a whitie is a well educated blackman, No? Well count on we Nigerians to represent the rest of black race in this quest for knowledge, and oh FYI, a bachellors degree is now the lowest qualification allowed in our Nigerian communities. My only prayer is for ABA to either adopt NY or CA barexam as the national bar exam, so as to weed out all these dimwitted whities with bar licenses from Wisconsin, Alabama, Michigan, Arizona, Washington DC and etc. My God, I cannot stand lawyers without NY or CA bar license. Whitie please go buy some nice lawyerly clothes and shoes, and remember to shower in the morning and not the night before, dirtbag.

Anonymous said...

3.19pm...has her brother come out of the closet yet?

Suicidal Temp said...

Oy vey ...same old shit - and no jobs......

Dave Moss said...

"Aw, fuck you! Fuck the lot of you! Fuck you all!"

Anonymous said...

Dave Moss looks like a sick donkey.

Anonymous said...

"My only prayer is for ABA to either adopt NY or CA barexam as the national bar exam, so as to weed out all these dimwitted whities with bar licenses from Wisconsin, Alabama, Michigan, Arizona, Washington DC and etc. "

Hi Alusi Ego Nigerian scum!
Thanks for looking down on our states. It shows that you Nigerians are an ENEMY OF THE U.S.A., as if there was any doubt. That's why the FBI has specific branches to deal with you criminal scum.

The states like Alabama absolutely hate your dumb asses, and will never let you practice there. You can only be in New York because there are lots of blacks like Sandrene (another useless immigrant) to shove you down everyone's throat.

By the way, the states like Alabama and Michigan you mention are 1,000,000,000 times better and more civiled than your oil-rich home country, the asshole of the universe. Why is that?

Because the NIGERIAN PEOPLE ARE STUPID, LAZY CROOKS.

Places like Japan and Singapore can make the biggest economies in the world out of nothing because their people are smart, and always out-test and out perform YOU SHIT NIGERIANS.

Note you will never, ever, ever, see a Japanese or Singaporean working on a doc review.

Dave Moss said...

"Aw, fuck you! Fuck the lot of you! Fuck you all!"

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