Tom,
Hey good news! Hudson finally set up a confidential line so that doc reviewers can rat each other out.
Doc reviewer solidarity!
"To create an environment where employees have the knowledge and support to protect our values and promote lawful and ethical conduct, Hudson has established the Integrity Line. This toll-free, third-party help line provides a safe, confidential way for contract employees to report financial misconduct. Call the Integrity Line to report concerns such as:
Timekeeping abuses
Improper expense reporting
Financial fraud
The service has several important features:
Confidentiality: Employees have the option to report information anonymously.
Around the clock availability: Integrity line operators are available 24 hours a day, 7 days a week.
Protection from Retaliation: You will not be subject to retaliation for bringing a good faith issue or complaint to the company's attention, or for assisting in an investigation.
Follow up: All participants will receive a follow-up date for reporting progress.
To report your concern, call:
1 866 313 9349"
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Ha...Even another way to screw over people.
I wonder if the "snitch line" call center is in India. Perhaps we can rat out our co-workers while they continue to send our jobs abroad.
Oh yes, doc review is still big business, it's just being peformed illegally offshore at cut rate prices.
You are all morons who OBVIOUSLY never had real jobs. EVERY MAJOR COMPANY HAS AN INTEGRITY LINE!!
Good job busting yourselves for not knowing what working (perm, that is) environments have for their employees.
Losers.
Way to go Hudson! Celebrate Tiananmen Square day by snitching out your neighbor.
Who else besides 10:15 wants to step up and show everyone that they've never seen the inside of a real working environment????
Snitches get stitches. I'll kill a snitch.
Oh, and the asshole who said every job has integrity lines, that's complete BS.
That's BS?? Really? You know what an idiot you sound like to the rest of us who have/had perm jobs?
Your sweatshop basements don't count as real jobs.
The factory worker at GM even knows better.
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Big Mamma?????????????
Skeeter????????
McDermott Will & Emery, which last week cut pay for its summer associates, announced today it has laid off 25 associates and 47 staff.
Some first year associates were cut, but are being offered a public service fellowship. The amount of the stipend was not disclosed.
In March the firm froze associate salaries; in February, McDermott laid off 60 associates and 89 staff.
Has anyone ever not been punished for pointing out a problem on a job?
This is the right policy to have an integrity line. Unless Hudson is just doing this "for show".
The problem is all the cases have supervisors and/or case managers. If you complain, these people will feel like their usually biased and perfunctory management is being questioned.
Tell me these case managers won't find out who the rat is.
if one was "to rat" on a document review project.. there would be no reviewers left... it is the nature of the business for people to waste time..
still a honor code related to proper time sheet management should be expected. straight out fraud should not be supported.
I called in and some guy in answered, he had a bit if an accent and there was commotion in the background, so I asked where he was and to little suprise he said Nigeria.
Is this line retroactive?
if you worked hard you too would be able to bill 39 hours per day, run a side business at your desk, be on the cell so much it looks you are running a call center
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Is there a special extension to report a Hudson recruiter?
Allen Cohen of Hudson is by far the sleaziest person on this earth. He is the reason why antisemitism exists
I met ALLAN COHEN once. He just reeks of sleaze. You just take one look at that guy and you just want to take a shower. How is it that there are people like him still on this earth?
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Just because you're doing document review doesn't mean you're not a lawyer.
If you're a lawyer, you have professional ethics (or should have them, or even if you don't have them, are bound by them). That means there are situations where the interests of the client or duty to the profession or employer means you report someone. If you can't do that, quit the profession.
If you report someone to an employer for taking a 5-minute phone call, you're an a***hole. At the other extreme, if you report someone for fraudulently billing for 8 hours a day spent watching videos online while clicking through documents without even looking at them, and that person refuses to change his behaviour even when given a warning by you, then you are acting to protect the client and the profession when you report them.
10:17 is queer. if you are areview, you are a a loser either because you never could be hired as a real lawer, or because you accidently were hired, and quickly fired becasue you are only equiped to click and flip. Accept the truth, jerk. And, quit the snitching @ss.
I've actually witnessed situations where fradulant billing was rewarded. On a DeNovo project, a woman named Katrina (and I hope the nasty puerto rican ho is reading this) would sign in early in the morning, then leave for the day. She'd return around 8:00pm to sign out. I saw her (and some other clown) do this for over a week before the project ended. DeNovo knew about it and instead of firing her, they hired her for their next project.
"You are all morons who OBVIOUSLY never had real jobs."
I've worked at places w/o snitch lines (mid-size firms). I've also noticed that attorneys that snitch on other attorneys in the real world quickly find themselves jobless. Snitching is what the staff in the office (non-college educated secrataries) do, not professionals.
But then again, since a lot of the permatemps never had a regular job or managed to keep one for a year, they wouldn't have noticed this. Just like the complaints about the salaries. If you stay at a place for more than a year, they figure out a way to make you happy because if they don't someone else will.
I have worked with many De Novo temps who are the laziest, sleaziest bunch of temps I ever saw. No other agency would hire these people.
Forget the poor temps - how can I report Hudson's own unprofessionalism? They put me on an assignment once and paid me MONTHS later.
Then they paid me less per hour than what I had been initially told.
It was a joke. I wrote them a scrathing letter -- and never heard from them again.
So that's how they are -- you call them out on their own bullshit and they don't want to hear it.
Yeah, forget their Integrity Line. I'll call when they develop their own integrity -- I'm not going to snitch out a few temps who are already so exploited by thee assholes.
denovo is a shit box, they staff the worst and are all about the fraud.
I hope denovo gets closed
I have actually had positive experiences with Hudson so far. I hope my luck continues. They don't seem to have a lot of projects now. Are they staffing anything? DeNovo is far...far worse any day.
Allan Cohen isn't a rat. He is a businessman, if he needs you, he calls. They are not the most personable people but as long as I get paid it doesn't matter.
Yeah, as long as you get paid...I only had one experience with them and I didn't get paid.
I have heard they are usually good about that ... so I don't know why this happened to me. But it was enough...for me to move onto another agency for whom I have billed thousands of hours...
10:17 again.
Not sure why you're guessing my sexual orientation, 10:39, some weird wish fulfillment on your part? I don't want to know.
I'm a "lawyer" not a "lawer" (not to mention "areview", "becasue", "equiped", etc. - at least "becasue" may be a litigator's Freudian slip).
See, it's attention to details like that that help one do a good job...not that you're likely to ever do a good job, let alone have one.
Only once have I reported another lawyer and that was in a situation where we were directly employed by the law firm (not an agency) as lawyers, I'd already warned the person several times to stop, but his behaviour including watching pornography while billing his time and sexual harassment of others did not change.
If that makes me a rat, so be it - one of the less offensive things for a lawyer to be called!
When I worked for De Novo I also saw a Hatian woman come in the morning, turn on her computer, leave for the day, come back in the evening and mass code documents, turn off the computer and leave. She rigged the computer so that it didn't turn off automatically. De Novo knew, the ssociates were there managing. I saw her again at another assignment. She also worked for Update where she slept all day. Update knew. I have seen a guy watching porn all day at Update and Update knew. A paralegal was there managing and doing the same thing.
Cohen is a loser. Since he took the reigns at Hudson its been all downhill for them. Dont be surprised if you hear about a fraudulent scandal at Hudson. In fact, someone should be checking their books.
"Allan Cohen isn't a rat. He is a businessman, if he needs you, he calls."
He's manipulated you into working a job with long hours that provides little or no experience (coding isn't exactly like learning how to do trial add).
As for the agencies not paying, please. They're not stupid and are afraid of a nasty law suit. Your a lawyer, remember. You can sue people when they do stupid things like not pay you.
11:56
Why don't you mind your own buisness. If the guy wasn't bothering you or acting like he was going to start shooting people, keep your mouth shut.
I think we all know agencies are more understanding when some minority pulls some shit either 'cause they too are a minority recruiter and have their own little racial posse or they are afraid they will be called rascist.
I am a minority too - but the hard-working kind with a family to support and these lazy bitches are giving me a bad name.
12:09 - he was bothering me, and others.
More to the point, one is obliged to do certain things by virtue of being a lawyer. One of those things being to comply with professional ethics. I obtained confidential legal ethics advice which supported my interpretation that under the circumstances and the applicable rules (I'm not giving the whole situation or the jurisdiction here) my duty to the client (remember, I was a lawyer employee of the law firm i.e. an "associate" with a fiduciary duty to the client) I was obliged to do something to stop his behaviour. Since warning him didn't help, I had to report him to the employer.
So given a choice between (1) violating professional ethics to protect someone I disliked who was doing something fraudulently wrong and sexually harassing people despite being warned not to; or (2) complying with professional ethics to report someone doing something wrong who I also disliked; I chose (2) as a last resort, because other measures (warnings) had failed.
Again, fiduciary duty to the client is more important than not "snitching" on fraudulent unethical lawyers. If you don't understand that, you'd better take some ethics CLE.
Incidentally, if an agency or law firm is deliberately allowing fraudulent billing of the client, quaere whether one's duty to the client (even if one is employed by the agency) requires one to report the matter to the client, if the firm refuses to take steps, does whistleblower protection apply or not, etc.... the ABA Journal online had an item a few months ago about a Nevada (?) associate who was obligated to report the head of the firm for financial improprieties. Yes, many others didn't like it, it hurt his career prospects, but he was ethically obliged to do so.
I agree. Just the other day I walked into register with an agency. I have an excellent resume, solid top tier degrees and am hard-working and professional. At their office was some ghetto ho also registering. She was skanky, smelly, matted hair, rude and obnoxious. Her resume was quite pathetic and her clothes were worse.
When the recruiter came out I knew instantly she was going to favor the ghetto ho because she too looked like one. And that's exactly what happened. Although the ghetto ho walked up to the recruiter in an appaling gangbustin' style with a 'wassup' and acted more as though she was lounging in the hood the recruiter was very happy and animatedly promised to get her long-term assignments. Either she was scared or just felt more at ease with her. She wasn't that nice to me - although I would have been a better worker.
I kept in touch with that ghetto ho and sure enough she got a mega long-term gig and I got a measly two days .
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Yeah unfortunately I did open my mouth but when I saw how skanky it was I preffered to stay home and starve
12:42,
Take that pompous and judgmental stick out of your "top tier degrees" pedigreed ass and you might have a better chance.
If you are so hot with your "top tier degrees," why are you temping?
In the temp world, where you come from do not mean anything as even a high schooler can read and code. In fact you top degrees might be a liability to agencies. So if it has not occurred to me, I will remind you: you only got the 2 day project maybe because you lack personality and you are bitter - BITCH!
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True - later another recruiter told me my degrees could be an impediment. But you sound ghetto enough to get the job...how come you sitting at home and posting with us bitter and personality-less pedigreed people?
with the exception of about 100 attorneys in the entire world, you are all a dime a dozen. shut up and do your work or i'll replace you with someone who will
12:42. "So if it has not occurred to me, I will remind you.."
What kind of sentence is that ---
Yeah Recruiter - and we'll replace you. Temp agencies are a dime a dozen in New York -- even if we code we are still more close to the law than your ass-sucking of lowly paralegal managers...
2:24 you'll replace me? that is the stupidest thing i have ever heard. way to go with your quick-witted comeback. i'm sure i've fired you at some point...
Yep, it's the truth. As far as I am concerned your lowly recruiter bitch ass works for me -- if you don't get me the job I want I move on...I have an excellent pedigree - I don't need to suck your mangled dick to get a job...I'm sure I've fired you -- actually come to think of it I probably never hired you when I saw your sleazoid
face...BEEEEATCH!!
and if you are going to ask me what am I doing temping?? have you been reading the papers - I worked at Skadden -- and after a few months I am sure I will be just fine...without you
Oh I worked at Skadden as an associate---beeeeeatch
Yeah, the IRS should probably look into Cohen's tax return. He is just the kind of guy who cheats and lies his way through life.
ummm...not really. my lowly recruiter behind works for the client, not the candidates. you my dear are a expendable commodity, despite your pedigree, which you seem to have recently found out. we all are. the difference between you and i is that i am not so overwhelmed with my false sense of self-importance and entitlement that i have lost sight of that fact. that is the difference. that and my giant commission check.
2:19,
Contrary to you inability to hold on to a job for more than 2 days, I am billing about 75 hours a week for the past 10 weeks with only a high school degree - like I told you.
I visit this site with the intention of getting some info on the temp market, but most often than not, I run into pathetic jackasses like you using words like ghettos and hos.
Maybe you are just not good enough, maybe you are just meant to stay home and bitch all day, or maybe everyone is just out to get you, especially people from the "hood."
What's the latest on Sotomayor?
Or Big Mamma?
I work as a paralegal manager. You will not believe the number of partners who are sick of recruiters. Many have told me they wish they could cut out these jackasses - but they are a necessary evil.
And us paralegal managers laugh at how these recruiters kiss our ass- they bring us cookies, give us tickets, try to do stupid small talk, even when we abuse them. They make us feel great....
As if partners really talk to paralegal managers....that was funny
Viva La Clovester!!
Wow. I found this blog just flipping through the Google Blogger list, and you guys are probably screwed as bad as anyone. Beggers at least get to have a net worth of $0, but you guys have to put up with everyone's bullshit for a long time until you can reach that financial point. Just for the privilege of working your a grudge job.
BTW, there is no "snitch line" in teaching, although I could see it happen soon. You should prank call the hell out of the snitch line--accusations of affairs you know about, even the silly nickname thing. I know I'd prank call it every time I got pizzed off. I'd call it from my cell at work, clicking away on the computer.
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It's funny... the attorneys here write like a class of Nazi 3rd graders, and a high school teacher is one of the first people here to write a coherent, sensible post without misspellings or grammatical mistakes, or racist diatribes.
What does that say about temp attorneys?
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Perhaps an anonymous support group should be started for doc reviewers.... a 12 step one. The 12th step is to get the fuck out of this racket.
I just laughed my ass off reading these comments. At least we in the contract business, attorneys and recruiters, have a sense of humor. Here's to the weekend!
Is 4:47's outrage justified?
Is 4:47 exaggerating?
4:47, don't you think destroying lawschool buildings (at night, of course) is more ethical than killing partners. Do the partners really have their foot on your neck, or are you just angry that you can not be them?
Why don't document reviews work from home? I have a similar part time job scoring essays from state testing, and the essays just load up on a screen (they had been scanned). Surely it would be easier to load emails, etc. onto a similar platform, since they are already electronic. Anything paper can be scanned by minimum-wage workers on high-speed scanners.
Sullivan needs a snitch line to report Alex Gaylard and the rest of those solitaire playing, dvd watching, sleeping behind the boxes, billing till 5am, agency bribe accepting scumbag losers - and I'm not talking about an anonymous tipline to report Clovester's gross fasion abuses either. They can set up a separate hotline for that.
They need a sexual harassment or sexual disappointment line for ALEX GAYLLARD. He suffers from DSB... DSB stand for the disease known as DEADLY SPERM BUILD-UP. It is an awful condition which side effects include "shit face," "crankiness" and overall incompetence.
Maybe if his wife blew him more often, his crappy disposition would change...work product would improve and S&C would receive some form of benefit from his employ.
Snitches in this field are never anonymous. They always try to curry favor. The worst snitches aren't the temps, but the annoying legal assistants.
Agencies only care about one thing, namely they are attracted to people who bill a ton of hours. As long as the candidate is sneaky and can get away with it, the agency could care less and will continue to place the unethical candidate.
Also, doing a solid job on any of these projects really doesn't pay off. Many times getting fired is entirely out of your hands. You could be an excellent reviewer, but happen to be on the wrong side of the racial quota when firings are being carried out. There is great racism on these projects directed against the white male.
Yes! Finally I can be the elitist, slimy subhuman lowlife that I truly am deep down inside!
I agree. Doing a good job has nothing to do with whether you get a raise or not. Nobody reads the shit the temps do anyway. Like they're relly going to give important docs to temps.
It's awl about da billable hours! Repeat after me, "law is a money business", "law is a money busines", "law is a money business".
Make your money, smile and shut up! Don't cause trouble and bill bill bill!
The nature of the beast is to become as lazy as possible on these projects if one can get away with it. The work is so boring. The firms encorage it by providing the internet to surf.
There are always a few nuts who love to code and really work hard. It is my experience that if you stick your head above the crowd and rat on someone you might very well get fired yourself as the agencies don't want problems and they want to bill AMAP. If you do rat do it anonymously.
1st level review may not ultimately matter in the grand scheme of things, but fucking up your documents is the surest way to be culled from the project. Rest assured that what you code is being reviewed. Responsiveness is often grey, and when in doubt mark it yes. More importantly, if you are going to mark something responsiveness make sure it isn't privileged!
I don't know why anyone is worried about a tip line. You are all perfect employees who never surf the net or look for new jobs while on a project. You are certainly entitled to everything.
There's the occasional test doc you have to mark for QC, but it's almost impossible to miss them. They're usually red hot.
Aside from that, nobody give a fuck what you're doing as long as you hit the magic number. Trying to do a good job will get you fired as much as it will get you noticed.
Hit the number, get the test docs, act stupid, and you'll be fine. Don't beleive any BS that you're doing an actual job.
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I come to this site when I worry about my future and the choices that I am making. However scary and financially uncertain those choices are, I have to thank God I am getting out of reviewing documents. I was feeling down today about my business, but now I feel up. Sometimes peace of mind is worth so much than money.
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Doc review to $10 per hour! No wonder rates are dropping! From sleazebag Marc Ross's blog. Marc you doth protest too much...
The entire Indian LPO industry is a race to the gutter.
"Thursday, June 4, 2009
Quality is Key
- the Message at Lexis Legal Outsourcing Event
Today saw the conclusion of LexisNexis’s two day Delhi LPO conference. The overriding message emanating from some of LPOs most recognized figures was one of quality without compromise. There was broad consensus for a necessity to avoid a race to the bottom in terms of price, at least for any legal task that requires a degree of subjective analytical input. I agree with this wholeheartedly.
There are only two possible scenarios when one hears of document review projects being bid for at $10 per hour. First, as a loss leader, under the forlorn hope that this course of action will build up a client base, and that at an indeterminate point in the future, the price can subsequently be raised to one that leads to profitability. Given both the sophistication and risk aversion of the buyers of legal outsourcing services, I maintain that the likelihood of long term success with this course of action is negligible. Or second, and arguably of more concern for the legal outsourcing industry as a whole, and for the naïve client who signs on the dotted line, that ultimately the client is going to get what they pay for, that is basement quality labor. Although highly automated, document review still requires (and will do in my opinion for the foreseeable future) human beings to perform repeated subjective analysis of key documents. I for one would not want $10 per hour (or less if one assumes some level of margin) reviewers coming within a country mile of reviewing documents in any case that I was a party to.
The argument against commodity pricing is unsustainable though, where through technological advances, systematization and standardization have effectively turned what was previously a bespoke legal service into a task akin to data entry. At the conference I highlighted the example of the UK conveyancing market, once the realm of solicitors, and specifically at the costs generated for handling remortgage work. Over the course of the last 20 years, the fees generated from such work have decreased from circa £1,000 to £30. Clearly here, where the margins are so low, and the volumes so high, every penny saved makes a major difference to the bottom line.
posted by Mark Ross at 9:08 AM "
What happened to the "Ghost Ship" post. Kinda can't remember what it was about. But I remember the pic of a (derelict?) cruise liner.
It's nauseating that Lexis -- a name that's trusted by the American legal community, from law students to big law firms, is that heavily involved in "Legal Process Outsourcing".
They're outsourcing doc review jobs today, but the message implicit in that report is that tomorrow, it'll probably be a lot more than that.
Tens of thousands of law students around the country use Lexis-Nexis, usually courtesy of their law schools.
If word could be spread at law schools of this chilling betrayal by Lexis, striking at the heart of the legal profession -- maybe a national boycott of Lexis-Nexis could be organized at the law schools.
Students could refuse to use Lexis-Nexis -- and maybe demand school administrations to provide WESTLAW instead, to protest the company's brazen selling out of their own constituency.
Chilling indeed, right expression for the evaporation of good US jobs. There will be no such as the legal profession in 10 years, just another gutter outhouse competing illicitly with cheap poorly trained workers.
Associates and partners are being laid off, while there is great expansion in the offshore LPO market. Any correlation?
Why are you angry that these sweatshop jobs are going away? Who wants to work in a basement?
12:06
The destruction of the American Middle Class (and that includes attorneys, doctors, and other professionals) by multinational corporations runs the continuum from exploitation to outright displacement by cheap foreign labor.
When corporations put workers in a basement, that's exploitation and humiliation, but that is only the beginning... it's the first step to eliminating the job entirely and shipping the job overseas.
The American worker is thus made redundant by foreign competition, and the only people who get richer are the global corporate fatcats - the corporate owners, CEOs and top executives.
Meanwhile, you peons on the shit end of the stick have to give up increasingly exploitative working conditions for no working conditions at all, until our entire Middle Class is debased into feudal serfdom or unemployability.
True, it makes jobs on the other end for poor Third World people, and that's a good thing for them. But who benefits by this? Only the capitalist class.
Look up the word "capitalist" in a good encyclopedia. "Capitalist" does not mean "businessman" or "tradesman", but "owner of capital who deploy money and assets to make more money and assets for himself."
The capitalist ownership class gets paid, the Republican conmen with their blow-dried hairdos get lobbyist money, they scare some Democrats into voting with them for fear of their phony-baloney careers, and the Middle Class gets the shaft...
It works every goddam time in America because we're a nation of self-absorbed dickheads.
This week in law firm layoffs:
Blake Lapthorn: 12 lawyers
Maclay Murray & Spen: 27 lawyers
Barlow Lyde & Gilbert: 49 lawyers & staff
DLA Piper: 37 lawyers
McDermott Will & Emery: 25 lawyers, 47 staff
Dorsey & Whitney: 55 staff
Snell & Wilmer: 40 staff
Total: 101 lawyers, 142 staff, 49 undisclosed
7:24pm:
Excellent post. You're right about white men getting laid off. Everything today is affirmative action, "diversity," and "multiculuralism" in a country where white people are already a minority.
"Why are you angry that these sweatshop jobs are going away? Who wants to work in a basement?"
I've worked in those basements and done pretty. Most of us liked the work. There are always a few rotten apples in every bunch, however.
DLA Piper laid off MORE lawyers???
The layoffs don't seem to be abating, people.
Biglaw is fast becoming Mediumlaw, and in some cases is well on its way to becoming Smalllaw, or even NoLawAtAll.
From today's Sun. New York Times:
"A Study in Why Major Law Firms Are Shrinking"
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/07/nyregion/07law.html?em
Anyone who reads that article from the NYT will see that the legal profession as we have known it is coming to an end.
Actually- the legal profession of big law firms is coming to an end. The article is good, but it makes the mistake of confusing big law firms for the entire legal profession. The big law firms are a product of the rise of mega corporation.
I think this line is telling:
"To the extent that lawyers are simply churning out the same problems one after the other and are treated as factors of production to be laid off or not because of market forces or marginal declines in profitability,” he said, “the emotional and professional commitment that goes along with being an adviser and a solver of problems begins to diminish.”
This is the heart of the problem. You can not produce a good product as a lawyer if you are treating legal work like an assembly line. It is fast and easy money, but the results are crap.
It's a little to early to call for the end of biglaw. Many of these firms have lasted through many bad years, including the great depression.
Of course for all of the whiny, spoiled Milennial Fucks, who haven't been through a recession, this is the end of the world.
I have to laugh when some chimp that barely graduated some TTT law school and is now clicking for a living is trumpeting the end of biglaw.
Grow up, biglaw still dominates and will for the foreseeable future. Once the economy improves attorneys will be flooding biglaw in searc of perks and prestige.
Anyone that thinks biglaw is finished, is just a chicken little dipshit. This includes the low rent sleazeball outsourcing shysters like David Perla and Marc Ross. Gutter scraping half wit bottom feeeders.
Next on the outsourcers' agenda: they'll bypass Biglaw entirely and sell a full range of legal services directly to corporate clients, eliminating the middle man of Biglaw. Indian attorneys will do ALL of the work except for court appearances, and gradually, they'll start to creep into that area as well, with "virtual appearances".
You heard it here first, folks...
I am getting addicted to this website. Going back and reading the old posts is crazy. The perspective is interesting: young, Middle Class, Educated, Lied to, and Angry. So Anita is a supervisor that was really mean, and then she became an expert on using temporary attorney labor for document reviews?
As a bystander, I don't think the India fear is grounded, but it is only a feeling. Is there any way to know?
I am an exile here now.
What happened to JD Underground? Stalin and Mao seemed to have taken over that site. Does anyone know if an agency or law school paid the owner of that board a bribe?
"ALL of the work except for court appearances, and gradually, they'll start to creep into that area as well, with "virtual appearances".
Perla, go fuck yourself!
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Hey, dumbass. The "end of big law as we know it" coverage is coming from the New York Times, the Washington Post, legal trades and other mainstream sources. You may want to update your criticism to reflect- you know- reality rather than you bias against TTT lawyers.
And by "Stalin" or "Mao" they mean "not crazy right wing libertarian racist shit" posted by whiners who feel they are entilted because they are white and, you know, got a college degree.
"Aw, fuck you! Fuck the lot of you! Fuck you all!"
"Aw, fuck you! Fuck the lot of you! Fuck you all!"
9:38 pm = I work in-house at a major media company - we don't have a "rat" line. How can you prove anything that someone says over the line?
Viacom uses this kind of thing to spy on people.
Don't believe Hudson's lies.
This is just another form of mind control to monitor what you are thinking and to see who has a "bad attitude."
The DeNovo Ho says snitches are bitches and bitches get stitches!
"DeNovo says the big rate of $35 is a thing of the past."
Get on the boat back to Jamaica Sandrine you b!
9:08,
The India fear is based on fact. Pangea3, as well as other outsourcing firms like RR Donnelly, are busy shipping legal work and support staff positions to India as well as other 3rd-world countries as fast as they can.
Open your eyes.
9:08,
The India fear is based on fact. Pangea3, as well as other outsourcing firms like RR Donnelly, are busy shipping legal work and support staff positions to India as well as other 3rd-world countries as fast as they can.
Open your eyes.
Total tards are recruited by De Novo. Update and Strategic ROCKS
Noooooooooo!
Strategic sucks!
Especially Melanie that ho.
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