Friday, September 12, 2008

Today's Lesson - Outsourcing your future jobs to India

Saw an interesting video on Youtube. Apparently, this Paul Garrity character from Kelley Drye & Warren was boasting to a group of students at Cardozo Law School how he has been busy making money by outsourcing their future jobs to India. With Cardozo tuition now exceeding 40 grand a year, these kids should be crapping in their pants.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RA7rasp7ifk&feature=related

95 comments:

Anonymous said...

No question about it! Think how much more money and power the greedy partners will have when the outsource all of the menial tasks in the law firm to India.

Already, biglaw is an ivory tower. With the vast legions of staff attys, doc reviewers, paras and other support staff exported to India, no need to train or mentor all but the best and brightest. Sure, they will always need some staff, but far less than are currently onsite. In places like NYC where real estate is a huge cost, the Internet allows outsourcing to other places for pennies on the dollar. This is the swan song for big ticket NYC doc review.

Now American law grads, who went to law school expecting work in the USA to be protected by their guilds, finally graduate and pass the stinking bar only have their job or gig exported to save money to an "attorney" in an emerging market that is operating on 2 weeks of training in the American legal system. If ever there was proof that the American Law School curriculum, this is it.

How totally outrageous. The era of the bailout is ending and no one will have any sympathy for these lawyers that graduate without jobs. People will scoff and laugh and lawyers will largely represent a failure in life. In fact, for most, it already does.

No training or entry level jobs to speak of for '08 grads, excepting of course the much celebrated t14 or top ten %. Most biglaw associates don't get training or mentoring anyway, the bulk of them ending up leaving the law within 5 years.

Anyone going to a US law school is wasting their time. The profession is dying.

Anonymous said...

One of the lemmings in the audience should have asked the dirtball lecturer "so, you are pleased that the only jobs that many of us who will graduate from Carbozo will ever possibly get are going to be exported to India leaving many U.S. grads, including those from toilets like Carbozo unemployed or non-void walkin round like Pretty Boy Floyd?" Then said lawschool lemming should have said "it's like a jungle sometimes, it makes me wonder how I keep from going under!".

Anonymous said...

Hey how come nobody ever speaks of Anita no more?

Anonymous said...

To ask questions require thinking. Americans don't do thinking anymore. We've been taught to just keep our head down and hope that we will suceed.

Anonymous said...

We've been told to improve our lives through education, and all the loans will pay off.

But wait, your job is being outsource and yer JD is useless.

Anonymous said...

The answer is that the lemmings who sat before the subject lecturer have no clue how really important "e-discovery" will really be to THEM. How it will DIRECTLY IMPACT THEM. They have no clue of that it might provide them with their only option to extract any sort of worthwhile money out of a dying profession.

They don't realize that the lecture is about a subject that will effect them, not as partners or senior associates at some chi chi firm (because most will never ever attain such status having the scarlet T, as in toilet, firmly and deeply imprinted on their foreheads)directing the staff attorneys to properly supervise the nameless hordes of doc review attorneys be they American or Indian.

But, rather of how THEY will be among the nameless, subhuman doc reviewer hordes BEFORE folks like their esteemed lecturor ship those jobs overseas.

The lemmings have no clue that they won't be the massas and that they, indeed, will be treated as though they are the Tobys, i.e. very unprestigous plantation slaves of the legal world.

They believe that because they attended a highly vaunted Tier II toilet that happens to be aligned with the educational wing of the correct religion to be part of in NYC, that they too will become the ones with the power to act as a massa or a god over those who do not share their good fortune of perhaps being in or affiliated with the correct & priviledged educational, racial and religous group in today's lawland.

They have no idea that, by the virtue of their LSAT score, which begat their having to attend a useless tier II school which, for around 80-90% of its grads, will only begat a USELESS and unmarketable JD degree,they are, indeed, a useless,totally fungible bunch of fools who's only chance at a decent living is that subject that is being taught right before them and that said subject (in effect, doc review) is being shipped out from underneath them by the likes of the lecturor as he teaches.

Anonymous said...

7:16, you are one immature, ignorant piece of shit. Die, now.

Anonymous said...

2:19 what did 7:16 say that was so immature? Sounds dead on to me.

Anonymous said...

7:16's posting is quite immature. 2:19's, however, is even more so.

There are certain realities of the global economy that have affected many industries, and the law is among them. Complaining about outsourcing is immature and naive at best, racist and xenophobic at worst.

Anonymous said...

We are just starting to complain, get used to it. When grads from professional schools have their jobs outsourced and their guild approves of it, something is seriously wrong. We have been lied to over and over again.

The riots and storming of the law schools are just around the corner. When these useless, antiquated, brow beating diploma mills graduate 80% of their students with zero job prospects (which also happen to be the ones with largest debt), there is a major problem.

We as lawyers should start by boycotting all things Indian. Start with Indian restaurants, no hiring of Indians here on work visas, and exposure of the shoddy conditions of these outsourced dumps. Ultimately law suits must be brought to force corporations to use American barred workers in their jurisdictions.

This is just the beginning of a long, hard battle, which will result in the closure of many diploma mills, defaulting of stidents loans and lawsuit after lawsuit directed at the defrauding law schools and student loan companies.

It's the beginning of something much bigger. As lawyers we have power, let's use it and stop being lemmings.

Anonymous said...

Boycotting Indian restaurants? That's right upt there with "freedom fries." Why should you boycott a type of restaurant, particularly given that many of them are owned by US citizens? It would seem racism is the only answer. Your proposal to not hire Indians is not only blatantly racist, it would be, for many companies, an unlawful policy, as it would violate federal, state and local laws against discrimination on the basis of national origin.

What, exactly, would be the basis of the lawsuits you speak of? Or is the idea to simply flood the courts with frivolous, groundless lawsuits?

I understand you are frustrated. But changing economies have always frustrated people. The key is to change with them, otherwise you will become just a bitter, unemployed luddite.

Anonymous said...

Who cares if the pathetic liberals cry "racist". It is we Americans that are being victimized by corporations who prefer Indian citizens who have zero training US law over properly trained and barred American lawyers.

We are the ones being discriminated against, the Indians are taking our jobs. How can you refute this, with your jingoist refrains and canned liberalism? Quite simply, you cannot.

We must and will fight back this time. This is no longer about being middle class, it's about survival.

American citizens of all races are losing their jobs to outsourcing. In fact, document reviewers as has been widely reported, are largely Africans/African Americans. Don't you think they've suffered enough? Do the greedy bastards have to outsource these jobs?

Your pathetic attempts to make this a race issue are laughable. You are nothing but a traitorous coward, like David Perla and his ilk.

Anonymous said...

We all need to vote for Obama/Biden this November. While Obama isn't ideal, he's still better than McCain and that nutjob Palin, who will guarantee we all stay the way we have the last 8 years!

We need to stop outsourcing! And it's not racist to boycott Indian stuff. I'm a minority myself, and I am sick and tired of how people from India take our jobs overseas, plus take them here. Every where you go, there are Indian employees working here and then sending their money back to India! If they're going to work here, they should spend the money here! The same goes for the Hispanics who send their money back to Mexico or the Russians who send it to Russia.

Like the economy, the legal profession is ready to collapse. We need to stand together on this. Doc reviewers who complain about losing their jobs to India and whine about $10,000 medical deductibles and not being able to afford heat who give $250 to John McCain and vote Republican just to feel "important" like this one bottom feeder I know, deserve everything that has happened to them the past 8 years. Seriously, what a f#cking joke. This guy even had to list the temp agency as his employer. LOL. Truly pathetic.

Times said...

Sitting around clicking for 14 hours a day is not "law". That's why it's going abroad. The U.S. educated can do so much better -- upgrade your skills and attitude and actually start practicising.

Anonymous said...

Voting for Obama will not help you. He's Harvard Law and fully on board with the ABA. You are deluding yourself if you think that Obama or McCain will bail you out on this one.

It's not a political issue and neither candidate will do a damn thing about it. Don't try make this into some vote for Obama campaign, don't be an Obamoron.

Do you really think that Obama will stop outsourcing? That is the most laughable thing I've ever heard.

Anonymous said...

8:00 PM...Gee, you must be that bottom-feeding temp I work with who has his head stuck up his a$$ (oops, I mean, in the sand!)

No, I don't think Obama will be able to stop outsourcing completely, but he will at least TRY to keep jobs here by giving incentives to companies who stay here. John McCain doesn't give a flying fig if anybody has a job here as long as there's WAR. You're the one who makes ME laugh. WAKE UP!

Anonymous said...

I read this blog even though I am not a lawyer, or 'legal industry' worker, because it is the one place where the truth about this economy is clearly spoken . The truth is that technology, and the global economy have created a 'perfect storm' which will take your jobs away just as the blue collar jobs were taken away. I have seen it happen in my part of PA, and what scares me is now it is happening to you white collar workers in the capital of white collar work, NYC.

Anonymous said...

Yes, and it will continue. Most people want fewer lawyers and will cheer the day the profession is gutted.

Anonymous said...

This will all end after the first malpractice case against whatever Vault firm fucks up a case by using Indian TTT's for the work American TTT's should be doing.

They arent just outsourcing doc review but legal research and writing too. The jump in malpractice cases is inevitable.

They outsources a lot of customer support and software work to India too that they later had to bring back to the US because of "quality" problems. Hindi speaking Indians simply dont speak and read english well enough to be doing doc review and legal research tasks. There is a reason why 55% of LLM's fail the bar.

Anonymous said...

The ABA that has done this to you is an overwhelmingly liberal p.c. organization that could care less about the rank and file. Vote McCain/Palin!

Anonymous said...

10:13 How the eff do you know that the ABA is "liberal"? Go take your right-wing crap somewhere else unless you have proof to back it up!

Anonymous said...

10:13...If the ABA doesn't care about the "rank and file" folks like temps, does that mean it only cares about Big Law lawyers? Is that would you're insinuating? If so, then that would seem to me, it is a conservative, Republican-type establishment because Republicans care nothing for the middle-class/working poor. Most temps I know are middle-class/working poor, especially when you figure in the student loans. It would serve you well to get your political parties and issues straight!

Anonymous said...

10:33 and 10:38 - Get your facts straight.

http://thewomblog.com/?p=2060

The ABA and biglaw are liberal establisments. It was the liberal Clinton justice department that opened the floodgates to these TTT schools, and it was a liberal ABA committee made up of biglaw interests that is now allowing for outsourcing.

Anonymous said...

Who exactly in the supposedly "liberal" Clinton admin "opened up the floodgates" to TTT schools?

Another fact-deprived comment in a fact-free world.

Anonymous said...

No, you're right, there is nothing at all racist in these rants against Indians, including American citizens who happen to be of Indian descent and drive cabs. Such comments are the hight of tolerance and Christian love.

Anonymous said...

Kids (and I do mean kids),

Quit your bitching. For those of you who suggest boycotting Indian restaurants, congratulations: you have now written the most idiotic, infantile statements I've ever read on the Internet. And yes, you ate being racist because you're targeting restaurant owners based on their ethnicity only. Oh, I guess it doesn't matter that many owners of "Indian" restaurants are Pakistani (do you rednecks even know the difference between India and Pakistan?), or that they mostly have zero ties to the legal industry in ANY country.

You pathetic, snivelling, ignorant, racist cunts are getting what you deserve.

Anonymous said...

I love the posters who cant grasp sarcasm. 9:18 you are an idiot.

Anonymous said...

"Who exactly in the supposedly "liberal" Clinton admin "opened up the floodgates" to TTT schools?

Another fact-deprived comment in a fact-free world."

The clinton DoJ sued the ABA when the ABA tried to crack down on TTT schools. You are the one who is fact deprived.

Anonymous said...

It is well established the ABA is left leaning organization. It is not even a point worthy of argument. Look at their positions on issues, where their money goes and who gives them money.

Of course, if they were true blue old school dems, they would be standing up for attorney's rights a workers, but that is clearly not what they are about.

They are more interested in the working conditions in Bangalore than NYC and the employment of illegal immgrants than TTT attorneys.

Anonymous said...

The clinton DoJ sued the ABA when the ABA tried to crack down on TTT schools.

Well, guess what the Bush administration did to the DOJ? It tried to only hire TTT lawyers from Pat Robertson's shitty law school for NON-PARTISAN positions. Oh, but I guess this doesn't concern you doc reviewer losers as you were all in the bottom of your class and never stood a serious chance of getting in the DOJ anyway so you wouldn't understand or care.

Maybe there is a reason why you temps who whine about the ABA being a "liberal" establishment are in the boat you're in. You all sound like a bunch of redneck, low-life trash to me. The big firms don't want or need folks like you.

Anonymous said...

I am tempted to leave the double wide, hop in the pickup truck and track you down with my shotgun for that redneck remark.

Anonymous said...

It is no wonder that people with such racist attitudes are stuck in document review. Such attitudes exist only in people who have not been well educated, and that lack of education is precisely what makes you unattractive to employers. I'm sure it shows in every comment you make.

Anonymous said...

Why does this site just say the time but not the date a comment was left? How are you supposed to know how long ago a comment was left?

Anonymous said...

Intelligent people are neither liberal or conservative. Ideology is for idiots.

The ABA is now run by biglaw and biglaw has an interest in outsourcing and screwing over its employees. I dont care if biglaw partners are pro-choice or anti-war. They are anti-me and that's all that matter. They can all go to hell. The real problem is the Republicans and the Democrats are both equally bad for the American worker. I dont want to vote for McCain or for Obama and I sure as hell dont want to spend one cent on an ABA membership when the ABA is doing its best to send my job to India. The ABA exists to protect American lawyers, not send our jobs abroad.

Anonymous said...

Here here except for the fact that the ABA only exists to protect the interests of the snake devil lawfirm (biglaw in particular) parnters who rape, sodomize and rob most recent lawschool grads.

As for boycotting the dothead restaurants or any other dotheadian bidnesses or entities...That is the dumbest shit I have ever heard. Its not the dotheads, its the elitist, classist, lying, thieving, scamming and extremely devilish lawfirm parnters (who are overwhelmingly either W.A.S.P.'s or Jews) who are to blame and should be boycotted or disposed of. They are the reason that law is such a nightmarish scam of a so-called profession and the reason that most decent americans HATE lawyers and all that they stand for. Regardless of your race, creed or color if you are not a member of the elite overclass and if you have an ounce of decency or humanity these devils make the legal "profession" such an untenebable place that it is no place for decent folks to dwell. The law eats its decent folk. Boycott the legal profession. Exodus!

Anonymous said...

with Obama, we are now living a post-racial society. Simple cries of racism are no longer enough to guilt people into action.

Anonymous said...

Lehman and WaMu are going into the crapper this week. Looks like getting rid of the middle class wasn't such a great deal after all. OUTSOURCING IS DESTROYING AMERICA!

Anonymous said...

yeah, no wonder so many americans are defaulting on their mortgages, they're losing the solid good paying jobs.

The greedy assholes are shipping them overseas.

Anonymous said...

I was the fellow who first suggested boycotting Indian restaurants. Initially, my opposition was a reaction to outsourcing. However, their kitchens are filthy. Individually they frequently reek of BO. Some Indians can empty an elevator due to odor.

My comments are not intended to discredit these worthy immigrants. They have different notions on sanitation.


Some prior blogger asked why we are no longer discussing Anita. Her poor and sad behavior is an issue of the past. Now outsourcing has replaced this c*nt's conduct. It is of current relevance. Actually, I'd rather do battle with a twat like that, than be subjected to global resourcing.

The threat of Indian outsourcing managed to beat out the petty tyrants who formerly were opposition to a fair and decent standard of conduct.

I could have never predicted this and no one else could have either.

These people are not licensed to any U.S. bar. Despite their "supervision" by some crappy associate or staff attorney, I fail to see how they compare. If mass tort ligitation is to be handled properly, then U.S. attorneys should be employed to handle electronic discovery.

Common sense and decency and licensure should allow some small level of protection for the value of ABA approved schools and state bar passage.

What a disgrace. More loopholes...more theft. The quality of their work cannot be the same. At some point, a clear malpractice error will be made and some mass tort defendant is going to be fucked... And they will deserve it... Our lousy U.S. coders still are more competent than the Indian counterparts.

Capt Long Dong said...

Calm down girls. The trend will swing back. Many credit card companies and the like have already unoutsourced.

The quality of work from indian and foreign outfits is simply not up to par. There will always be a place for clickers like you.

Why did you go to law school? Was your goal to be a reviewer? Look at other prospects if this is not working for you. Think of opening a practice. In the meantime, order up another Brinjal and Cashew Nut Curry and enjoy.

Anonymous said...

Many company feedback studies have shown that Indian workers produce higher quality work than their American counterparts. Better quality at a lower price. Why on earth should a firm pay you in this situation? Their not running a charity. If you find the industry unattractive, then you should exit it and do something that makes more economic sense.

Anonymous said...

If you want to boycott Indian restaurants based on sanitation, then you should not disingenuously muddy the issues, and you should focus your campaign on santitation issues regardless of the race of owners. Most white-owned restaurants have questionable kitchen practices as well.

Anonymous said...

THANK GOD I went to law school at CUNY. I have a job, own property, work in a field I love, and can breathe. Oh yeah- before you say it- I passed the NY and NJ bar exams.

Anonymous said...

the bitterness here is palpable.
it's also misplaced. my guess is that many of the people here were sold on the idea that if they took out a lot of loans that they would easily pay them off with a law degree. and, of course, that turned out to not be true.
the people you should be angry at are the loan originators (i.e., the banks and financial services and to a lesser extent the law schools). the point is that they make their living by having you take out loans. now it's too late, so you will just have to find something else to do. the sooner you do that the better off you'll be.

--former biglaw from lowlaw school.

Anonymous said...

9:32 is right.

The quality of Indian outsourced work is so poor that many (nonlaw) firms are unoutsourcing.

Many of my college friends work in high tech in silicon valley... they constantly complain about having to completely rewrite all the code they get from India on their projects. Constantly having to push back deadlines by many months at a time. Firms are discovering the cost savings isn't worth it.

Also, the cost savings is disappearing. I read an article a month ago that when outsourcing started 8 years ago there was a 7:1 wage advantage in India. It said that was down to 3.5:1 today.

Anonymous said...

There seems to be mixed reports on the quality of work done in India. Some say it is superior, others say it is worse. The market will decide the answer. If it is better, and cheaper, then it is appropriate and desirable for the work to go to India. If it is not, then it will stay in the US.

Comparative advantage and free markets is the American way.

Anonymous said...

A lot of you guys are right, there is no need to panic about doc review going to India. I know a lot of Wall Street guys and IT guys: they all say the same thing, the work product in India IS ABYSSMAL. Big companies are tired of these idiots fucking up and getting a shitty work product, that they're now pulling out of India, and other places. A friend of mine who works in IT said they (A Fortune 100 company) just shut down an entire operation in Eastern Europe because they REALLY fucked up.

Anonymous said...

What ended up happening to Alex G? Still cheating on his wife with Tina? Someone else? When did that start? Did his wife find out yet? Divorced? Fired?

Anonymous said...

"The market will decide the answer. If it is better, and cheaper, then it is appropriate and desirable."

Yeah, but the market is skewed. How can we compete with the Indians? The ABA requires us to attend one of their expensive ABA law schools, while the states mandate bar passage and the payment of expensive CLE fees. The ABA meanwhile allows the Indians to sit for a cheap two week crash course. I am tired of Americans being discriminated against.

Anonymous said...

Keep clicking!!!

Anonymous said...

4:12 - You are not being discriminated against for being American, you are being discriminated against because of cost. That is perfectly legitimate and the basis of the economy. I expect you yourself discriminate on the basis of cost quite frequently.

Anonymous said...

5:17- No, I AM being discriminated against because I am an American. If I want to do document review work in America, I have to show the staffing agency that I am licensed. To get that expensive credential, I had to invest boatloads of time and money. If the ABA wants us to compete with the Indians, I say fine, but how about we close down some of these overpriced American ABA TTT law schools that engage in outright and blatant accounting fraud, fraud to which the ABA turns a blind eye to.

Anonymous said...

It's unconscionable that the ABA is allowing fat cat educational administrators to prey upon America's youth, while at they same time they are allowing for the outsourcing of jobs for these very same graduates. Haven't biglaw partners and TTT school administrators profited enough over these last few years?

Anonymous said...

Let's keep the lawyers and export all of their work. Let's also keep opening up law schools to insure that the educators get rich while grads salaries plummet towards the poverty line.

Of course it makes no sense and will lead to the collapse off yet another speculative bubble in which participants were lead astray by entrencned, highly profitable interests.

It's time reclaim common sense in this country. The first step is to sue the student loan companies for usury and fraud.

Then we get the law schools, law firms and the ABA.

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Anonymous said...

9:08: Sue the student loan companies for usury and fraud? What usury statutes have been violated? What is the intentional misrepresentation that is the basis of your fraud argument?

Anonymous said...

Given the racist rants that litter this website, one wonders what one has to say in order to get dumped by the administrator.

Anonymous said...

Thanks for having the guts to publish this site. I didn't know this was still going on -- and that the epidemic has grown substantially. I have similar background; attended T-4 law school, got little help with job after graduation, had crushing debts that altered my life. I did however get a job. I've since left the churn, and haven't thought about it for a while, until this issue came up. Now I'm reliving my early 20's all over again. My sympathies to everyone still in the churn (and were sold a bill of goods).

Anonymous said...

4:02 You weren't sent a bill of goods you were blinded by the remote prospect of making money at a big firm. Any idiot with an ounce of smarts would have researched the job market.

Anonymous said...

The law schools are cash cows and lie in their recruiting materials.

Anonymous said...

The law schools lies to get the kids in the door, suck them dry, and then toss their carcasses to the curb. The temp agency vultures then circle overhead.

Anonymous said...

Stop yacking, keep clicking.

Anonymous said...

Will someone please identify a "lie" that was supposedly said by a law school? Attorneys should know that vague, unsubstantiated allegations are inappropriate and unprofessional. The fact that your career has not lived up to your hopes does not mean that someone lied to you.

Anonymous said...

"Attorneys should know that vague, unsubstantiated allegations are inappropriate and unprofessional."

What are you talking about, lawyers live to do this.

Anonymous said...

4:51 - Here you go:

"Too many {law school post-graduation career} stats are self-reported. Professor Henderson's research has found evidence of 'massive exaggeration' by law schools when they report what graduates are up to. 'If we really started unpacking these numbers,' Henderson said in an interview, 'we would see some really unattractive accounting how law schools classify their graduates. It would be borderline scandalous.'"

Anonymous said...

5:17: Well, that's slightly more concrete, but you are still a long ways from establishing the existence of a lie based on Prof. Henderson's comments. In what way is there "massive exaggeration" of law school stats or other "unattractive accounting"? Examples, please? The professor also seems to be pulling his punches; he says that the matter would be "borderline scandalous," which is to say that it may not be a scandal at all.

Anonymous said...

5:26 - Like we are supposed to believe that the average kid coming out of place like Tulane is pulling down 125K a year. That is what a school like Tulane claims while they keep cranking up tuition year after year.

You are right, with the schools holding all the cards, it is very hard to pin them down. The truth of the matter is that unless we are able to pin down and depose someone like Joan King under oath, we won't be able to figure out how exaggerated some of these figures actually are. It's not like however we didn't try. Several people have sued the school in recent years, but the judge who benefits from free interns and potential part-time adjunct teaching positions, wouldn't let the case advance to the discovery stage. Also, as a result of much online activism, reporters from the WSJ contacted Joan King to discuss the issue of post-graduate career reporting. As is apparent to anyone who had read the article, Ms. King was evasive, spoke in broad generalities, and when asked, wouldn't provide for any concrete figures.

Anonymous said...

5:26 - It seems you may have grounds for suspicion, but no evidence of an actual lie. If you can't point to a demonstrably false statement that was made, then accusing someone of lying is inappropriate. Of course statistics have long been compared to lies (there is that famous saying about the three kinds of lies being lies, damned lies and statistics), and reasonably intelligent law school applicants should realize the potentially misleading nature of statistics. To say that the average salary was 125,000 may mean that one person made nothing and another made 250,000.

Anonymous said...

The NALP numbers are fairly accurate. 1 year out 8% of graduates are unemployed, close to 25% of graduates dont actually practice law, but work in other fields. The median salary for those employed is 62k and this includes the 10%+ who work in biglaw. Take out the biglaw externality and the median is in the low 50's. The median debt load I believe is about 80k now, it was 67k a few years ago.

Law school is a financial disaster for the vast majority of grads.

Lets even pretend that most grads will eventually make 100k as practicing attorneys. With 10 years of experience you can make 100k in just about any field and you dont have to take on the debt or the opportunity cost of law school to get there. 3 years of lost income while you are in school is an invisible 100+k in additional cost the brochures never mention.

Anonymous said...

When is the strike?

Should we strike tomorrow in front of the Indian consulate?

Anonymous said...

The strike was last week, where have you been roach boy?

Anonymous said...

What ended up happening to Alex G? Still cheating on his wife with Tina? Someone else? When did that start? Did his wife find out yet? Divorced? Fired?

Anonymous said...

Not everyone went to law school primarily to make money, but rather because they found it intellectually interesting, provided an opportunity for personal growth, and/or they felt it could contribute to the greater good of justice.

This is not to say that those with more mercenary motives acted erroneously, but rather to stress the fact that earthly lucre is not the end all and be all (or even the primary good) of education.

Anonymous said...

At least you guys have jobs. What about all the BearStearns/FannieMae/FreddieMac/Lehman Brothers/MerrilLlynch employees that have gotten canned.

Anonymous said...

I say welcome to reality. Walking out of an office with your belongings in a box is something that most of us are greatly familiar with.

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Anonymous said...

If you weren't such cowards, you'd be up in the Marcellus Shale right now making money hand over fist, instead of leaving yourself to the mercy of agencies and a brutal market. Stop waiting for a biglaw job that's never coming, stop feeling sorry for yourself for not getting a 'real job' and get up there and make some money.

Anonymous said...

"At least you guys have jobs. What about all the BearStearns/FannieMae/FreddieMac/Lehman Brothers/MerrilLlynch employees that have gotten canned."

They deserve it; let them starve; they're all crooks. They should be in Federal prison, not at home and unemployed.

Anonymous said...

They and biglaw helped create some of these opaque derivatives that nobody could understand.

Anonymous said...

3:27: While I'm sure there is much to criticize at Lehman Bros and their ilk, I hardly think "all employees" there are to blame. Somehow I expect the receptionist and secretaries had very little to do with it.

Anonymous said...

I think that things will change very very quickly over the next 5 months in the entire profession due to the fall out from the demise of the major institutions feeding the trough of so many BigLaw Firms....look closely and you will eventually see the demise of many law firms currently feeding work to India.....no one knows where this baby is going to end up for any of us....most of this blog may be moot within the next 9 months......

Anonymous said...

Tiki masala for everyone! Huzzah!

Anonymous said...

How about some new posts, Tom? It's frigging Thursday. You haven't posted all week. No commentary on the biggest financial crisis of the decade?

Anonymous said...

I love how Indians, some of the most racist people on the planet, are so quick to scream "racist!" as soon as you get between them and a rupee. You are laughable.

Anonymous said...

3:02 - Racism is a feature of many cultures; I really don't think Indians are particularly racist as a group compared to others. It is true that many high caste Hindus may display some disdain for others, but this is not, at least not primarily, a race-based matter, but one of class and social position.

Anonymous said...

alex didn't go anywhere. he is still a big fucking nobody from nowhere.

Anonymous said...

Many company feedback studies have shown that Indian workers produce higher quality work than their American counterparts. Better quality at a lower price.

Link?

Anonymous said...

Did anyone tell Alex's wife about Tina yet?

Anonymous said...

Who the fuck is Tina?

Anonymous said...

Tina is Alex G's current lover.

Anonymous said...

More jobs going to Mumbai.

http://abovethelaw.com/2008/09/while_wall_street_collapses_mu.php

Anonymous said...

Alex's wife Nina has been told everything. Poor thing, but she had to find out the truth about her husband's years of infidelity with so many girls. Maybe she already knew. Maybe he will marry Tina.

Anonymous said...

It would have been kinder to let this useless fuck self-destruct on his own. But, I have little sympathy for him. He'll meet someone else. And likely cheat on her.

Anonymous said...

LOL @ 3:51. Yes, true. I don't know who did it, but someone apparently contacted his wife a while ago. I don't know why he would be so tempted by these Tina-girls. Maybe he's still with Tina and she is his soulmate?

Anonymous said...

8:47, Alexass possesses no personality or soul, so it is doubtful he will attract a soulmate. This grasping fool is the classic example of what results when an insecure failure is mistakenly granted a petty amount of limited authority.

Sadly the firm is unaware of his inappropriate professional and rumored sexual misconduct. Besides, they maintain professional liability insurance for such instances. They probably wouldn't care anyway. One at his lowly level is considered comparable to the unfortunate mentally challenged man who cleans cages at the zoo. However, the zoo janitor is probably more decent, ethical and productive.