Wednesday, April 28, 2010

Boies Schiller To 40K!

I just got the most retarded phone call. Temp job out in Albany, "6 months" on the project although they claim they try to keep people on longer, doc review job with no upward movement at all, $40k a year. I'm assuming no benefits either obviously. I guess after 6 months they expect you to go onto unemployment or something. I think the girl on the phone knew how shitty all this sounded, she said "that's a lot for Albany" which I of course don't buy for a second.

They demand you start within 2 weeks of the "interview" (why interview for doc review?).

I don't even know how you'd find a place to even live in that quickly. I don't care how bad the legal market is, that is the worst thing I have ever heard. I forgot to check on hours, but I'm assuming it's at least the full 40 hour work week, if not more than that.

If you check their web page, they tout diversity and being a top law firm. Now I don't know, maybe it isn't this law firm doing the hiring, but I actually think it is, but regardless, if it's another firm placing, this firm should be angry to even be associated with that.

Please don't use my e-mail or name or anything, but I'd love to know what other people think about this. As bad as things are, this one takes the cake. If they manage to fill this, it's going to be people living in Albany with their parents, there is no way anybody in their right mind MOVES out there for something this pathetic and for a temp job. Talk about insulting.

71 comments:

Nando said...

At least TTT Albany Law School will get a bump in its job placement, i.e. this third tier piece of trash will not need to outright lie on its employment figures.

Although, seeing that this project is offering $40K, Albany Law School may need to add another $20K to "help out" its starting salary figure for the Class of 2010. (After all, many of the JDs on this project will get OT, right?!?!)

Anonymous said...

And you have to live in Albany. Killself.

Hell Tanner said...

Wasn't Albany the city that George Peppard and Jan Michael Vincent were headed for in the post apocalyptic road movie "Damnation Alley"?

Anonymous said...

Hell I take that shit. I'd do it big. Get a nice little summer sublet studio... College girls, kayaking. 9-5, 40k, what's wrong with it? Albany's boring, but so is everywhere.

Anonymous said...

Oh yeah, the college girls are really hot in Albany. It's like Fort Lauderdale but with furs. Once you peel away all of those layers, you'll be in bliss. And that's what it's all about right after a hard day of doc review.

Anonymous said...

I agree. That would be my dream life. I would even do that job for 30k. I would kayak and snowshoe on the weekends and hang out with the drunk SUNY Albany girls on Friday night. Wasn't SUNY Albany voted the #1 party school in the USA? It would be like living in Cancun, Alaska style.

Anonymous said...

Sorry, but you won't be able to afford to take any girls out on that salary. College girls only date older guys if they have money.

Sorry loser. It's more like staying home, drinking Blatz, ordering dominos and jerking off.

No college girls for you, pathetic loser.

Anonymous said...

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Anonymous said...

I bet they fire you after 2 weeks, for anybody that's been in the temp game you know that's a very realistic possibility.

Anonymous said...

Finally!!! I won't have to work out. As I will only be surrounded by pasty overweight people I can just go straight to work and back home to watch TV and eat ice cream. I can focus on work. No distractions. Maybe I will move up to $12.20 an hour.

NBC News said...

In case you missed it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NMOf8_lZT1U

Anonymous said...

You have to work out if you're doing college babes one on each arm, and lesbian action in your bedroom.
Boies will like this. They were sued for sex discrimination and settled for $25 million.

Anonymous said...

40 k for 6 months? Need to know the hours. 9-5 and it would not be bad if you keep expenses low. Hmmmmm.

Anonymous said...

No, it's $20k for six months or paid at a rate of $40k per year. In other words, less than $800 per week.

If no OT then it's less than $20 per hour. But they will work you like a donkey at flat salary, so you'd get about $10-12 per hour if you work 50+ hrs.

What is wrong with you idiots?

Anonymous said...

I just ran my calculator with the facts as I understand them from your blog. If they are offering
$40K for a 6 month project, this basically is gross $1,666 a week.

In the Upstate area, and around Albany (I know it well), THAT is a decent salary for a doc reviewer/temp. It is about the current going rate in NYC for doc reviewers.

If you are good and they like you, trust me, your salary will increase.

Who in the Albany area has that much hubris to complain about this job and salary. If so, they darn well should not hire you.

I am really quite surprised...you are in Albany for god's sake.

The substance (what you are reading)is probably more intersting than most doc reviews based on what BSF does and its client base.

P-U-LEASE! GROW UP! IT IS ALBANY!

Anonymous said...

It's 20k for 6 months you dumbasses. Are you sure you read the blog entry? It's $20k for 6 months, and then if they actually keep you on, you can get $40k for a year. They are not paying $40k for 6 months. If they were paying $40k for 6 months that would indeed be really good for Albany, and would be fine for NYC as well.

Anonymous said...

Forgive me, Mr./Ms./Mrs. rocket scientist. That certainly is not how it read.

What I read was $40K for a 6 month project, and the use of the word annually was odd, even when I read it.

If you worked for 6 months only and made $40K, that is what you made that year from BSF annually. That is how I read it.

Even for Albany (it is one complete pit) with a cost of living that is so so so low, I could live quite well on NYS UEI, halfing it to $833 is twice what you make on NYS UEI.

I still think in Albany (knowing it well) you can at least get by quite quite well, in contrast to getting by in Albany on NYS UEI.

There is absolutely nothing, nothing to do up ther. If you live outside Albany and not in the "Cool" or PC areas, you can damn well make it work.

You seem to be a bit whiney to me. There is no work, and no no work in Albany period. Not even barrista jobs. It is barren, it is a hole, they'll never get jobs period up there. Surprised BSF is even offering work up there, rather than scanning it down to NYC, for NYC doc reviewers.

Is it better to sit on your behind, then sit and earn $833 for nothing, or what a chimp could do. At least you are reading, and you might actually learn something from the doc.

Plus, it is better than sitting at home alone IN ALBANY! You have like minded people surrounding you.

P-U-LEASE, IT IS ALBANY!

Anonymous said...

No moron, it is $40k per year or less than $800 per week.

But keep dreaming, foolish one. If it was $80k per year, no one would have heard about it, as it would have been staffed in 10 minutes.

It would never reach this blog.

Anonymous said...

It very well could be $1,666 gross weekly for only 6-8 months, bc/ who from NYC would go to that wasteland to work, the crime rate is outrageous. If you work the usual BSF hours, late at night, you take your life into your own hands to go out into that area for your car late at night.. It is downtown ALBANY. Highly dangerous at night.

People from metro NYC are NOT going to clamor for that job, and give up being around Manhattan for the summer. No way, particularly as most people in NYC don't have cars, and this job requires a car. It very well could be the $1666 for only a 6-8 month gig.

I still am not convinced that either the person who called you about it, or yourself, have the facts on pay terms down accurately.

BSF has very wealthy clients, and they have quite a deep pocket in reserves to pay out direct (if no agency is used) to temp attorneys, and they re-bill it at a higher rate to the client). There is no incentive for them to do what you are representing.

Even if BSF's client is an arm of Albany government, or a personality in government, or a U.S. government or state regulatory agency (utility), he gets paid deep from that Albany sink hole. Their corrupt, and they'll find the money for him. He basically is a Democrat. Now if it is to defend (or even represent a plaintiff after one of) Patterson's cronies or a political job, then maybe the pay is that low. It still doesn't add up, because they are so desparate they have to hire BSF, and thus they'll pay anything to get the job done by a shark.

I am not sure you are accurate. Sorry. The person who called you could easily not understood the pay terms when conveyed to him/her. Doesn't add up.

Anonymous said...

I'm the person that sent the e-mail to Tom. Believe me, this is something that people don't screw up. Those are the terms that were conveyed to me, $40k annually, but the 6 month term was specifically mentioned.

It is possible the person conveying the terms was in error. But that's a lot of speculation to think that, and usually the terms are what somebody states, because something like this is really important and one of the things people make sure to get right.

It doesn't really matter now, I rejected over the phone when I was called. I can't now call up and ask for specifics and then schedule an interview, unless they are having trouble filling spots.

I personally live in NYC, hence I'd have to move out to Albany for this position. I'm not too interested in moving for such low pay, I wanted to see what other people thought and it does seem pretty split, however, almost everyone seems to agree $40k a year is too low. That is why some people are pretending it's $40k for 6 months, which I'd agree with you isn't bad.

Think about it logically though. A lot of doc review in NYC itself is $20/hr right now and is getting filled, would it be more likely that the project is $40k a year rather than $80k a year? This could be a solid position for someone in Albany, but why are they contacting people in NYC?

Anonymous said...

Lake George, Saratoga Springs, the Adirondacks are some of the most beautiful areas in the USA. Albany however, is a dirty, scary, crime-infested crap hole. Why would anyone voluntarily choose to live there for the summer? You can visit the nice areas as a day trip from NYC.

Benito Mario said...

I have a law degree from a T-10 and I haven't made $40k in the last two years let alone six months. Albany is better than my mom's basement where I currently reside. I agree the job is an insult, but at this point my life is basically an experiment in shame tolerance.

Anonymous said...

It's a joke and it is intentionally confusing. This is an old agency trick - they mix up the rates to perhaps lure some unsuspecting fool into jumping on board.

Be rest assured, it is NOT a $40 per hour gig in Albany. Even when times were good, the pay was always lower there. Now it is less than $20.

It is just as it seems, a crappy $800 per week shitstorm. I guarantee they don't pay OT and ask you to work crazy hours, driving the rate down to $10 per hour.

OP, which agency was it?

Anonymous said...

http://albany.craigslist.org/lgl/1701649370.html

Perhaps this is the gig, for those who remain interested.

Anonymous said...

Anon 6:56:

http://albany.craigslist.org/lgl/1701649370.html

Yep, that's exactly it.

Anonymous said...

What are the benefits?

Stupid Sexy Flanders said...

Boies will be Boies.

Anonymous said...

$800 a week, so they can work you like a donkey? It's like being sent up the river to do a stint at Sing Sing and make license plates.

Anonymous said...

Is this poster Elizabeth Wurtzel?

Anonymous said...

Helo, i went 2 "Zeke's Law Skool" six miles oustide of Paduca Kentuky its located in a trayler its a realy good legal edewcation. An i got a job now wryting books at a maygor NYC law ferm called Kravath Swyne Moor, an goin b4 judgs in Fedral Cort. Their payin me like 200,000 K. Im really smart i passd the NYC Bar with a score of like 100,000 an i hardly studyed in law skool, mabe only like once a month. An thay say fith tear law skools aint good!!!

Anonymous said...

This is directed to the original poster of the information to Tom.

The reason they are contacting unemployed contract attorneys in NYC is because the inventory of same they'd actually hire even for doc reviews is lame in Albany. Not that I am knocking local unemployed Albany law grades still living in Albany.

The point is that BSF is hoping to lure ex-BigLaw types because they know the NYC markets is a wasteland.

But, even that logic hints at why I think the original pay terms information conveyed to you could be non accurate. BSF factually knows there is no sane ex-BigLaw doc reviewer who would take a 4th "hit" (after the last 3 y ears of "his') to incur additional damages to be forced to move to Albany temporarily to then take what would be net only @$200 more than UEI - if it only pays $833 gross weekly, and yet be forced to work OT. Just the cost of gas and food, and the tolls around Albany, and even the cheapest rent in Albany, makes it a huge loss.

We all know if you work for BSF that means huge OT, and no one ever leaves the work site prior to 8:30PM - 11PM if there is a deadine, having started at 8:30AM.

So, I still keep my position that the pay terms conveyed originally are inaccurate. But, I do agree that what was conveyed originally as to pay terms intentionally was confusing, so they could jack around with the terms as the needs of the project changed, and the ambiquity lends itself to defeat any future lawsuits over compensation.

Anonymous said...

Hello,

I'm the original poster again. To 6:47, I linked the job posting, so if you are so sure why not send a simple e-mail asking for compensation details? Simply mention that you are interested and found the posting on craigslist, do not reference this blog obviously or ask if the compensation is what I have stated.

If you get a response, I am pretty sure it will be the terms that I was conveyed. If not, then of course feel free to post here. However, the only difference I can foresee is as you mentioned, the OT hours, probably at time and a half. That still won't be a solid amount.

For the record, I am actually employed. I work part time, so it would be underemployment, nonetheless, I would have to quit my current position to take this job, so for me it makes even less sense.

Anonymous said...

I find it strange that people are rushing in to defend this project, but lacking any specific knowledge of this job.

If you have actual, credible information that contradicts the OP, please let us know and post it here.

Otherwise, please keep your idiotic, speculative chatter to yourselves. I would imagine it's the work of a recruiter trying to muddy the waters.

Please stop defending this gig unless you have actual, credible details.

Anonymous said...

I think it's only one guy, who is to stupid to read correctly. I had no trouble reading the blog entry and understanding what the compensation was.

I also don't buy for a second that it would even go to 6 months. Most of us have been on 3 month projects that mysteriously end after 2 weeks. Anyone that hasn't figured out the game by now is a lost cause.

Anonymous said...

Elizabeth W. please call the agency to discuss.

Rory The Retard said...

Yo 10:42. Soundz like you iz my brudda. I went also to trailor law school and look at me I iz now a staff attorney at S&C. You wanna git together for some corn on the cob????

Even I wood nut go to Albany....yikes....

Anonymous said...

The person questioning the pay terms of the original blogger is not a recruiter, nor am I defending BSF.

I am only questioning the terms conveyed to original blogger by the party who contacted him/her.

Based on what I read in the original blogger's factual summary, I am only questioning whether the party who called him/her actually had their facts straight. The busting of projects currently ongoing in NYC and DC does not necessarily translate to this Albany gig.

It is entirely dependent on the substantive nature of the litgation. If it is antitrust related, HSR "2nd request" it definitely will only go for 30 days at the most.

If it is related to white collar crime, such as should be the case of many personalities related to Albany (if even defense or prosecution of political figure, therefore a theme and variation on white collar crime or RICO), then the doc review probably won't go longer than 6-24 weeks if it is a rolling production to federal court.

There are new federal rules about discovery and heavy pressure to limit discovery time, method, and costs, and it is designed to block the gaming of the federal court by an argument of alleged need for protracted electronic doc reviews e.g. to allow the usual motion practice gaming.

If it is 6 mnths, then one needs to research what companies, entitiess, or personalities in Albany are under indictment or involved in litigation. Moreover, could it be that BSF is working with Cuomo or Manhattan DA on something yet to be announced related to Albany.

It is all related to the nature of the underlying action as to why BSF was hired and why it is the Albany office leading the review.

There just is not enough information to flush this out,and even the original blogger posits the minimal possibility terms were not conveyed accurately to him/her.

Anonymous said...

I just checked Craig's List for both Albany and NYC. I find nothing on either site within the last week that approximates any doc review as described. Is the original blogger accurate or is he/she making up this job pay term discussion for other motives. Hmm... really disappointed if this is a ruse.

Anonymous said...

You are an idiot. We already posted the link and now it has been deleted.

http://albany.craigslist.org/lgl/1701649370.html

You are just a complete moron.

Anonymous said...

What the hell are you guys talking about? There's a lot to do in Albany - crystal meth, child molestation, eating at Applebees, pickingup widows at church or at AA. Hell, Albany's happenin' - if you are lucky you might become a hooker for one of Paterson's aides - don't be hatin'

Anonymous said...

$20K in Albany. How awful. Pretty soon they'll be outsourcing to India or cramming people into a small room and making them work Saturdays.

Anonymous said...

If you're willing to live on the streets $20 USD can buy alot of Yungling. Alot of Yungling indeed...

Sonia said...

Is this some kind of joke?

Anonymous said...

So now they are bringing India to our backyard. I guess this is stil better than outsourcing? Upstate New York is a third world country anyway.
Isn't it better if the law firms move doc review to Ohio and the Carolinas? At least the cost of living is cheaper there.
Living in New York with lots of barely legal teens and Applebees.....sign me up duuuuuuuuuuuuuude.

Anonymous said...

Update is now re-named "Upstate".

Anonymous said...

I went to a top law school located on Long Island and after became a member of the bar. I married my high school princess. It has been downhill from there. Divorced with child support, my wife has convinced the judge all lawyers are rich and I am just lazy. I have never gotten a full time job through Hofstra or its network. My wife is the bitch from hell and now I find it hard to have a relationship with another woman due to fear which makes me run away from romance. I have thought about hanging it up many times. Maybe my story will make people think twice. I don't think I'm alone. I hope no one else is going through this year after year of hell.

Anonymous said...

You are not alone. What college administrators should think about is instituting more than a mere office of career placement information and books. They should think about giving all almost college grads the Merrill tests that identify strengths/interests, as well as the Birkman tests as to leadership, organization, and team capabilties.

Actually, it probably should be done for all high school and prep school grads, so that they choose a course of study in college that actually benefits them in rising to a level of personal independence, accountability, and responsibiity.

Possibly, those who are better off with a votech education would choose that path early, rather than waste another 4 years on undergrad, and 3-8 years in professional graduate education that only guarantees them a future of slavery to the government or other lenders - merely to have a piece of paper for the brain to hang on a wall or make mom and dad, or future wife/husband, happpy - while they themsevles are miserable, stuck, trapped, and just ready to throw in the towel.


One is better off going into intense psychotherapy when they are in college years, adding the testing for cognitive skills etc. as above listed, rather than fall for the "shoulds" in life.

When one falls only for the "shoulds" in life choices, and limits oneself only to the pursuit of the material, failing to think "out of the box", it ALWAYS backfires. This is why we have two
(2) generations now of "sheep" in those born in the '80s ands '90s. The same guys working at Lehman and Bear, and GS, who brought down the system. Just reacting to the race for the golden goose, that actually never existed, and they lost themselves along the way, many now not knowing how to pick up the pieces and figure out a new course. Maybe they never even found themselves. Instead we now have a society just following the current PC and coffee of the Oz - because they never figured it all on their own. No inner core. Meat for a guy like Oz. Just his pickings, like little ducks.

Anonymous said...

9:39 AM

Many wise words.
Unfortunately for most of us "J.D." illustrious doctors of jurisprudence the train has long ago left the station.

You are probably right about everyone needing psychotherapy. But doing the testing you recommend would be preventitive medicine.

The law firms and agencies are quite mean, they really are responsible for the psychological pressure on the temps and not being nice to them. Although temps put no value on how people treat them (same as associates) because they only value name and prestige, it is very psychologically damaging to them.

The ABA sits there in utter indifference to the needs of the average lawyer and is just like a Dickensian Coketown.

Baxter Davenport III said...

Albany may not be bad for those of you starving.

Just got back from a day of sailing. Boy am I bushed. At my age even sailing becomes tiresome after a few hours. Took a silly buxom paralegal with me - boy could she talk. Stupid wench - women like her should just close their mouths and open their legs.

Anyway, boys we all have to pay our dues. Even a handsome white man like me had to do things I didn't like. Like marry that nag wife to get a leg up in society. You think it's easy waking up next to an anorexic mule every morning -give me Albany any time. Spitzer had a good time there. Use your imagination and the Internet. Pip, pip, cheerio....

Anonymous said...

So, the last blogger admits he is a member of the "follower" generation, merely going for the golden goose that never existed in reality. So, now stuck with the wife he'd rather throw over for a new 20 or 30 something, who'd rather stay at home, and spend the day sailing. Heh, if mom and dad can foot your bill, I guess I don't blame you. But, respect you, that is an entirely different question. More importantly, I wonder if you respect yourself. POssibly you are a member of that generation where that is not even a relevant question.

Fan of Trailer Tom said...

@10:42pm: For a moment I thought you were Trailer Tom, finally sprung from jail. I see Rory is here as well. We should have a boy's night out, and take Baxter Davenport III with us as well.

Anonymous said...

2:21AM - sorry there aren't any "top law schools" (only 3rd tiers) located on Long Island..try again, end game.2:21AM - sorry there aren't any "top law schools" (only 3rd tiers) located on Long Island..try again, end game.2:21AM - sorry there aren't any "top law schools" (only 3rd tiers) located on Long Island..try again, end game.2:21AM - sorry there aren't any "top law schools" (only 3rd tiers) located on Long Island..try again, end game.2:21AM - sorry there aren't any "top law schools" (only 3rd tiers) located on Long Island..try again, end game.2:21AM - sorry there aren't any "top law schools" (only 3rd tiers) located on Long Island..try again, end game.

Anonymous said...

this should end all speculation. i went to the interview. it is 40K annually, meaning 20K for the "guaranteed" 6 months. too bad i didn't check out tom the temp before heading to the interview. i wouldn't have gone to the interview if i had known the salary was so low. spent almost 50 dollars just going there (gas, tolls, food).

Anonymous said...

We all feel very badly for you. Assume you either drove or took the bus since Amtrak is too expensive roundtrip.

If they are not limiting their search for this doc review to Albany, it probably means that not many competent experienced doc reviewers around Albany area.

Now it is their problem...they'll have to pounce on the 1Ls, 2Ls, and to be soon recent JDs coming out of Albany Law, studying for NYS Bar, who will be more than happy to take that salary.

It is NOT for anyone from NYC clearly!

Thank you for taking the time to clarify for all of us.

The recent "silence" in the doc review market, on a broader scale e.g. up to 3rd week of April might reflect the firms etc. are waiting for the "summer crew" e.g. 1Ls, 2Ls (without summer associate offers or summer jobs) and unemployed graduating J.D.s with no summer program or offer to leap to in this market

Anonymous said...

Only that one idiot who can't read thought the salary was higher. I don't even understand how someone that stupid can review documents. I would take my chances with the Indians instead over that guy.

Anonymous said...

The preceding blogger clearly has human relations issues. Even the original blogger himself/herself left open the possibility the terms were not conveyed properly.

Many of us thought the way the information was presented left open some questions, if not being utterly amazed Boies would be THAT CHEAP or exploitive, Mr. Democrat, Mr. P.C. , and follower of Oz himself. I guess when it comes to employees, he is as exploitive as the employers in Africa or Latin America, or yes, of Americans who exploit Mexican workers.

It really surprises most of us that he would do so, which explains our questioning the original blogger.

Clarity is always the best course of action.

Anonymous said...

^No you dumb fuck. That was you constantly claiming the OP misheard, you were told to check yourself and refused to. Others then confirmed that OP was right and you were just speculating and accusing others of mishearing things, when your stupid ass is the only one that can't read or understand simple concepts.

NOBODY else read it like you did. You have reading comprehension problems and also accountability issues, you refuse to admit you are wrong and keep on stubbornly digging yourself into a ditch.

Anonymous said...

I do not think so, dud. That said, it is interesting that you have such a strong need to engage on this one.

Might you have some other issues going down here dude?

Personal life at home must pretty shaky if you engage people this way, or maybe you don't have one. Chill, dude.

Try another style or method with people. Most bloggers hererin are not needy enough to "win" or to show the world how superior they are over other bloggers herein.

We all are seeking information and facts. Get a life.

For me, the OP was operating on shaking ground until facts proved otherwise. I like facts that are crystal clear. How it was presented was not crystal clear, need something to confirm. We got it from a 3rd person who went to the interview.

Anonymous said...

^God you are so stupid. You are the reason doc review was outsourced.

Anonymous said...

^^^ this guy is an India outsource guy, moron. Only idiots outsource to India, toad.

Anonymous said...

Both of you, get a life. You both are wrong. Not interested in further engagement on the matter...your words only reflect you own poor standards, in general, and probably why you are reduced to doc review, wouldn't want to trust you with a real client, now would we? Any smart supervising attorney would worry abuit the minute by minute interaction, and how you would speak and treat the client.

Anonymous said...

I'm the OP again, this will probably be my last post on this.

I only "left open" the possibility the same way anything can be possible, I was actually fairly certain those were the terms and that's what I posted on here a few times. I don't know where you're getting that I was on "shaking ground", especially since the terms are EXACTLY what I posted they were.

If I was shaky on the terms I would not have e-mailed Tom. I don't really know why you are still harping on this, it's clearly a shitty wage and those were clearly the terms. You are free to argue with other people as much as you want, but I ask that you don't reference me as if I agreed with you or anything, because I clearly never did.

I am curious in whether they managed to staff this job, how many they interviewed and how many accepted it. I really don't see anything defensible about this, hence why I e-mailed Tom in the first place. I assume he agreed, since he put it up very quickly, and has turned down jobs for $22/hr on this very same blog.

Anonymous said...

Boies Schiller have been doing document review projects in Albany for about 4 or 5 years now.

They had about 30 attorneys working on the AIG - Hank Greenberg litigation, which suddenly ended when the government had to bail out AIG.

They recruited exclusively locally up to this. Seems like the locals have finally had enough of their shit. Especially, a little prick called Adam who liked to throw his weight around.

40K a year has been the going rate - even 5 years ago - no change there. They had a strange scheme where you could work overtime remotely over the weekends but would not get paid for until the end of the year and it came as a "bonus". You were screwed if you got canned in the meantime.

Boies Schiller in Albany is a cheap operation - don't expect any perks - maybe a pizza every couple of months.

Anonymous said...

I worked at that shithole for 2 years. They treat the "staff attorneys" like garbage. There is a tiny little troll of a man in charge. The company is extrmely sexist and treats female attorneys like objects. $40k is actually a lot for Albany, which is why people stay there for so long. Albany Law School pumps out students like crazy to shitty jobs and BSF is actually a good gig. Too bad the work is mind-numbing and the people there are mouth-breathers of the lowest sort. It's 40 hours a week. For special "rush" project they will try to make you work 16 hour days but there is no incentive to do so as they only bonus Staff Attorneys at Christmas and it is a piss-poor bonus. They basically hire anyone with a pulse. If you need some cash, can interview with a short, pompus man and not drool on yourself, you're hired. God help you though.

Anonymous said...

It's 40k a YEAR. They will most likely fire you after 6 months. They have a 401k but you can't join til you have been there 6 months. They have shitty health insurance too. The hours are 9-5:30 and you are expected to be chained to your desk for the whole 8.5. God forbid the little Napolean partner in charge come looking for you one day and you're not there.

Anonymous said...

I worked at Boies Schiller in Albany as a Staff attorney with full benefits. They came in and laid half of us off with no warning one day. No severence or anything. Our boss wasn't even the one to do it, they sent their HR person from DC, brought us all in a room and told us that they were "ending their relationship with us immediately". I worked for this firm because they promised a permanent position with decent pay (for Albany) and good benefits. But they will lay you off just as quickly as a temp position. To make matters worse, they laid off so many attorneys that it made it impossible to even get interviewed for a permanent position in the Albany area because there were so many attorneys going for the same jobs. I moved back to New York because even at the crappy rates they pay now it was better than unemployment.

Anonymous said...

take whatever comes maybe you can snag a richie

Anonymous said...

$40K a year is NOT a lot in Albany--or anywhere for that matter. BSF is only able to fill these "staff attorney" jobs because the economy stinks. However, there are a few "lifers" there--people who are just fine being treated like 2nd class citizens, don't mind the insulting pay or the 'you don't have a brain & can't be trusted' treatment from the firm. I have no idea why this would be okay with anybody. Most of the staff attorney's are trying hard to get other jobs. If you are really really REALLY desperate for a job, take this one. But if you lack one 'really'...go work at Starbucks. You'll be treated better, have better insurance and probably make more money.

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Anonymous said...

I worked at BSF for over 3 years (05-08). For what it is, it was a great job. I was started at $45K with full benefits and a spot in a great parking garage right next to the building. 401k after 6 months. We had an expense account for $30 a day for meals if you billed more than 10 hours a day. I was billed out at $165 and hour. The bonus structure was $30 an hour for every hour you billed over 1800 on the year. I got a $5k raise every year and 2 bonuses over $15k. Adam was a very fair man. While at this job, I was hired by the state and now have a dream state agency senior attorney job. It's not all bad out there