Temp Life at Some of America's Most Notorious Legal Sweatshops
Wow, I did not even notice that until you pointed it out.
Does it really matter? Every big firm in the world may as well be called WASP & WASP or WASP or WASP, WASP & WASP.
2:13- Um- no, there's plenty of firms with Jewish and Italian names.
Oh- woops- you said 'big' firm. True that, then.
WASP, WASP & Jew LLP
3:36 is an anti-Semitic pig. Can't help but noticing that Tom didn't apologize for his own ant-Semitic post but did for his stupid typo. Attn: Hudson, Tom apparently was on the project that had a 4 day callback and ended last week. Do you really want to keep hiring this moron?
3:36 is an anti-Semitic pig. Can't help but noticing that Tom didn't apologize for his own anti-Semitic post but did for his stupid typo. Attn: Hudson, Tom apparently was on the project that had a 4 day callback and ended last week. Do you really want to keep hiring this moron?
WASP & WASP (American/UK BigLaw) Is as racist as they come. No Jewish, Italian, Irish, Asian, Black, Latino, Arab partners. The highest up the ladder they get is counsel (which means we sort of like you but you aren't a WASP so you will never be an equity partner.)I'm talking mega-firms here like Clifford Chance....And they all have their little country clubs which mainly exclude blacks and jews. As George Carlin once said, the only blacks you will see at a Country Club are carrying trays unless its a token black member. But he ain't gonna be a partner.
Country clubs? No one around here is a member of country clubs. Go back to biglaw.
Nothing more ridiculous than a jew obsessed with country clubs. Good luck!
PEAK DRIVES THE RATE DOWN!Peak has teamed up with Doar Consulting and Sidley Austin to offer a $29 an hour rate to attorneys for a forty hour work beginning this week. This doc review project will take place in their stinking space on the eleventh floor at 31st street. Way to go Arnold Schlanger and Helene Diamond. You will win the race to the bottom. What a bunch of hagglers!
2:20There are a few largelaw or largelaw-ish firms with ethnic names in the masthead, like Wilson Sonsini or Epstein, Becker & Green -- but these are very few and far-between, considering how many largelaw firms there are. The really established old largelaw firms have all WASP names on the masthead.
Who in their right mind would pay you clowns more than 29hr? There's no work now. Labor is cheap... if you can get a piece of the action. I'm sure they have biglaw layoff victims ready to go. Viva la recession SUCKERS!Where's your town car, now??
The problem of anti-Semitism in doc review is sickeningly obvious. Just viewing this thread alone shows the kind of bigotry that should disqualify the guilty posters from being permitted to practice law in any capacity. They are totally ignorant and completely without the moral standards which supposedly are required to be in good standing.
Damn! When people are talking crap about Indians and Nigerians people brush it off, oh but when someone mentions anything with the word Jew they are tar and feathered with anti-semitism and should be banned from practicing law! Give Tom a break.... seriously!
Hello, I am Vijay Bhaghawan, from New Delhi. I have made one million dollars already doing document review for an LPO in Mumbai. I am writing to you from my private helicopter which is taking me to my yacht, which I will sail to Dubai for holidays... I like Chateau Lafitte Rothschild and nice busty Scandinavian girls.Cheerio, all! And I hope your year is as prosperous as mine!!!hahahahahahaha!!!
Just saw an ad on Monster for doc review in Herndon, VA (DC suburbs). JD REQUIRED, bar license not required but OK, no previous doc review required, PAY IS $23/hour. Contractor is Raytheon, which is actually a defense contractor, not a legal staffing agency.What's interesting about this is that they are defining it as a job for LAW SCHOOL GRADS but not necessarily licensed attorneys -- although they will accept barred attorneys.In other words, it's a job for glorified paralegal-type people with a JD, but they are not considering this the practice of law.Yet it is doc review, and it's legal doc review.So I guess stuff like this cropping up puts the rest to all the arguments that document review = practicing law.The sad fact is that it never was practicing law to begin with. It was just something that was traditionally assigned to associate attorneys in law firms, so it became "practicing law" only by default and tradition.Then when economic pressures caused clients to want to pay less and less, the work gradually got defined downward to what is essentially paralegal or "law clerk" work.However, mushing it up with licensed attorneys means that licensed attorneys will also be working for $23/hour now.If they can even get the work, because there are more unemployed licensed attorneys in most big cities than doc review at $23/hour to go around...
4:17 pm,Law firms like Weil Gotschal, Wachtell, etc., etc., etc. aren't Jewish???? Give me a break! I'm tired of your knee-jerk hatred of Anglo-Saxons.
Gee you guys don't leave any race or ethnic group off the table. Everyone gets slammed. Equal opportunity offenders.
Umm 1:46, those are all German (not German Jew, Aryan) names you idiot.The other elite group: Aryans.
The name of this blog should be changed to Anti-Semitic Attorney. It has become a cesspool for anti-Semitic morons who (if they are admitted anywhere) should be disbarred fol there lack of moral standards. How disgusting it is for anyone to rest upon claims of discrimination against themselves to try and justify their own bigotry.
The name of this blog should be changed to Anti-Semitic Attorney. It has become a cesspool for anti-Semitic morons who (if they are admitted anywhere) should be disbarred for their lack of moral standards. How disgusting it is for anyone to rest upon claims of discrimination against themselves to try and justify their own bigotry.
shouldn't you be out oppressing a palestinian or something?
Right, but a JD means it cannot be outsourced. Defense contractors are probably prohibited anyway for national security reasons.
When anti-Semites attack Israel they pretend it has nothing to do with anti-Semitism but when they attack Jews here they attack Israel even when the Jews they are attacking have said nothing about Israel. The anti-Semites complain when Jews defend themselves against attempts at their annihilation but never complain about those who attack them. This blog has become a cesspool of anti-Semitism.
dear 1:31 am: you are right on target... the line between document review and the rest of the legal world is thinning by the second... the work still exist, but the reality is fluid... beautiful analysis.. the rate is $25.00 here in CT, by they way... one issue is that continual document review will turn anybody's brain into mush after a while.. - sincerely, selling my jd
The legal profession is to the jews as the police department is to the irish. Saying so is not anti-semitic by any stretch of the imagination.
10:04 you are out of your fucking mind stone cold crazy. Seriously, get help, you are totally fucked up.
11:02, 11;22 you are anti-Semitic imbeciles who are out of touch with reality and filled with religious prejudice. This blog is sounding more and more like the product of an anti-Semitic hate group.
What if I hate you b/c you are a complete douche-tard, but you just happen to jewish? Am i or am i not an anti-semite then? Or am i an auto-anti-semite just for not liking someone who is jewish?
12:19 it is really clear that you are just an anti-Semitic moron, plain and simple. It is sad that this blog has become so filled with anti-Semitism that if someone came upon it not knowing it was supposed to be about document review, they would think it was put out by an anti-Semitic hate group.
11;42, I posted as 11:22, you are a sack of crap, I am not self-loathing or anything else you want to call me, and I am most certainly not an anti-Semite, its impossible, but I do know a sack of crap when I see it, and you are a sack of crap. Now go get help.
it's interesting how anti-Semitic responses elicit so many protests, but comments about Indians and Nigerians get nothing. Does this mean you only care about your own kind?
10:04- Dude, you need help. Seriously.
Let's talk about the sweatshop conditions on the doc review projects. Isn't that the purpose of this blog?Too bad the work is in India now. Not to much to discuss in NYC anymore. Firms and agencies that used to employ us have now been blacklisted. Whatever happened to Babu the Indian attorney and correspondent?I guess he's not stupid enough to complain about his working conditions, he would rather work than sit around complaining all day.
4:06- Ah...here's good ole Archie Bunker again.
2:33 thats not true either plenty of people have complained about some of the comments made about Nigerians.
7:52- Ok, you're right. But no one's complained about the Indian comments. It's perfectly okay to bash Indians- even though fat white men are the reason we're in this mess to begin with.
I really don't think this blog is anti-Semitic, so I'm not sure what that earlier poster was talking about. (Yes, I'm Jewish.) I have seen a disturbing amount of racist talk aimed at other people, namely blacks and South Asians, however.
yeah, the racist stuff directed at Indians is not cool, even if they are breaking the law, which I think might be one reason why people are saying some of the things they are saying about them. When people are mad they lose perspective sometimes. Hopefully moving forward the blog and its posters will focus on the issues. I do have to admit though that I like the talk about who is hot on doc reviews, that is kinda fun.
11:40The problem is that the Indian outsourcing attorneys are not breaking the law in their own country, but would be if they did the same thing in the US.And the law firms that hire these LPO contractors are hiding behind the fact that in the US, these things are not governed by laws per se, but by murky ethics decisions from state bars.
I am an Jewish-Indian attorney (yes, there really are Jewish Indians!)... So I sit here in my rent-controlled apartment on the Upper East Side, eating curry-flavored matzoh ball soup, reading the Bhagavad Torah and kvetching about how my job was outsourced to my cousin Ephraim in Maharashthra.Still, he makes less than his brother, the doctor, so I don't feel so bad!
8:53am, Umm, you're wrong -- those law firms I mentioned are headed by JEWISH partners. Founding partners Weil and Gotschal, for instance are Jewish! And so are Mr. Wachtel, and Mr. Rosen.Say hello to the Jewish Bernie Madoff for me, you idiot.
11:40- Huh? How are Indians breaking the law? Someone offered them a job and they took it! If some dude from Japan outsourced to the US (stretch your imagination for a minute) and some Japanese dude offered you a cushy job in NYC to click on a mouse for ten hours- you would say, "oh, no, I can't take away jobs from those poor Japanese people." If so, kudos to you, my friend. I also thing you'd be on some kind of drug if you did that.
BUT WE ARE AMERICA! And in AMERICA we KNOW the world revolves around us! BECAUSE WE ARE SUPERIOR IN EVERY WAY...except for the fact that women, jews, indians, nigerians and african americans have free reign to STEAL jobs from the down trodden, fat, elitest, entitled, WHITE MAN!!!!
11:40.They are breaking US law by engaging in the practice of it. Even you accept the ABA opinion as law, which it isn't, can you seriously believe that the one or two US admitted attorneys that they have at the LPO sweatshops are providing the level of supervision required in the ABA opinion?
ok, so any person who gambles in Las Vegas or, even better, pays for sex in Vegas, is breaking NY law. And we should view them that way. They are NOT subject to US law therefor they are not breaking it. That is why we have treaties with other countries and try our best to creat international law.
12:40 I was unable to view the article, can you cut and pasted or something?
Ugh, I dunno why it keeps cutting off there. I'll try again:www.businessweek.com/bschools/content/mar2009/bs20090323_558993.htm
The article is entitled Asking for Student Loan Forgiveness and is stupendous, we should ALL be writing in.
Thanks! I googled the title...great article.
12:26 & 12:39- Thank god there are at least some people with sense on this blog.
you know I have noticed that white male lawyers are really fat. Why is that? It's really annoying.
cravath, Nigerian and Bombay is hiring
1239.Anyone who pays for sex in Vegas is breaking Nevada law. Prostitution isn't legal there
I shit my pants. And I liked it. Maybe me go interview at big firm too. Me like shit pants. Me get jd and now me play with my own shit all day. Maybe I can save it in a box. And have a lock on the box. That way it is safe. Maybe if I was foreign or had a pussy I'd have a job in NYC. As it is if you have no pussy or no accent then you have no job.I wonder if I would shit my pants if I had a job
ok. thank you for the clarification. are those bunny farms legal? they wouldn't be in NY. point remains the same. thank you for your time.
Well said. On point and novel approach to the problem.As a fellow American I share your views, if you can't vote here then you should be at the back of the line when it comes to getting a job. Americans first.
Oh 1:54! I think I sat next to you on on a project one time. Oy.
Screw the LPOs and the sleazy Brits, Indians and Americans that work there.I hope they all go under and go straight to hell.They are anti-american and anti-westerner.
1:56, I agree with that, but the fault remains with the unpatriotic corporations and the politicians who refuse to regulate them.
Americans for Americans.
1239.Are you retarded or semi-retarded? Do you really think you can't be charged with a violation of US just because what you are doing is outside of its borders? Mind explaining that one to Osama Bin Ladin?
yeah, fuck the godamn Brits here!!!!I know a few firms that employ Brit associates, fuk them too!!!!Brits here should all go jump in the Hudson. Piss on them!
Brits here don't even help pay our taxes. Go back! We won the war. In case you didn't get the message! Maybe we should get out the militia. Go back while you able to on your own. Punch a brit day is everyday!
if you are british and in NYC GET The fuck out!! The Atlantic is east of here start swimming you motherfuckerrsget out!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
2 pm, whether or not I am retarded, I am employed. LOL! I will leave you to contemplate the difference between acts of terrorism which violate international law and the act of foreign lawyers being employed to do doc review.
More greed @ IBM, they're firing Americans and hiring Indians, because the Indians are younger and cheaper.BOYCOTT IBM!http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/IBM-reportedly-set-launch-round/story.aspx?guid=%7BBC00B705%2DD6BF%2D4463%2D9253%2DA4AC98A975DC%7DSAN FRANCISCO (MarketWatch) -- IBM Corp. could soon launch a round of large job cuts in the U.S., shifting those positions to operations in India, according to a report Wednesday.The undisclosed number of job cuts would come on top of the 4,700 jobs that IBM (IBM:International Business MachinesNews , chart , profile , more Last: 96.43-1.87-1.90%2:08pm 03/25/2009Delayed quote dataAdd to portfolio Analyst Create alert Insider Discuss Financials Sponsored by:IBM 96.43, -1.87, -1.9%) shed from its software, sales, semiconductor and finance operations earlier this year, according to The Wall Street Journal. The new job cuts are said to come from IBM's global-business services group, which employs about 180,000 of the company's almost 400,000-person workforce. The report comes on the heels of speculation that IBM is in discussions to acquire computer server and software company Sun Microsystems Inc. (JAVA:sun microsystems inc com newNews , chart , profile , more Last: 7.81-0.25-3.11%2:08pm 03/25/2009Delayed quote dataAdd to portfolio Analyst Create alert Insider Discuss Financials Sponsored by:JAVA 7.81, -0.25, -3.1%) for as much as $8 billion. Sun employs about 35,000 people. IBM shares rose 47 cents to $98.77 in afternoon trading Wednesday. Rex Crum is a reporter for MarketWatch in San Francisco.
oh my hail, 2:05... thanks for the laugh.
IBM is notorious for their questionable business practices. This is where cut-throat unregulated capitalism gets us. Soon all government will be outsourced. We will be paying taxes to Apple.
But the Brits are so slender! and they don't crap in their pants like other doc reviewers!
What firms are outsourcing? Does anybody have NAMES of the firms actually using LPO doc reviewers?
Sony. See http://www.business-standard.com/india/storypage.php?autono=293702
1:57- So how big are the eyeholes you cut in the white sheets you put over your head?
The quote of this thread, and the century regarding lawland in NY and I suspect much of what used to be America....AND NOW, THIS GOLDEN NUGGET OF WISDOM:Anonymous said... "The legal profession is to the jews as the police department is to the irish. Saying so is not anti-semitic by any stretch of the imagination."Its about time....... you fucking pseudo white ethnic types (read Italians, Micks, Poles, Slavs, Greeks and Iznanians), blacks (African, west indian and ESPECIALLY AMERICAN BORN), Indian (dot, not feather, because there are none), Asians (although females are exempt from this because the Woody Allen types just looooove them some stir fry), the couple of towelheads and or other non white legal lemmings ......got your heads out of your asses and realize who the so-called legal "profession" is for.....Mostly the WASP and the Jew. Period. And they would rather outsource much of it before they EVER LET THE LIKES OF YOU IN!They despise all who are not them and they have and will continue to sell this country down the river to keep you out.That's the truth. Deal with it and leave law.
People who use the ohase "my bad" are such fruits
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