Thursday, June 05, 2008

Tired Of Dead-End Coding? Interesting Job Growth Opportunities.


I saw this ad yesterday on CL:

"AttorneyReply to:

General practice law office seeking smart, self motivated individual interested in working hard, learning and assisting in personal injury, litigation, real estate files. Temp to perm position. salary and incentive program. Bill more hours get paid more."

I pointed out to these morons that I made $25K a year in a firm BEFORE going to law school (duh, I obviously wasn't a lawyer) & that "bill more hours, get paid more" is the rule at ALL firms.

Since the idiot ACTUALLY wrote back, here's the e-mail address of the poster:

Feel free to encourage members to harass this guy!! Later.


Why sit in front of a computer and code all day? You can get paid nearly the same amount of money supervising the ordering of soda and sandwiches for Biglaw.

"Kitchen Supervisor - Law Firm - $60,000 (Midtown)

Exciting opportunity for qualified individual with 5 years experience in corporate environment.

Responsibilities include:
-Supervision of staff of 5 kitchen workers
-Management of the set-up of 25 Conference rooms.
-Distribution and verification of all e-mail requests for food and conference room bookings.
-Coordination of up to 60 annual in-house events

Compensation: to $60k"


Anonymous said...

Um, I think you left out the important part of the first post:

"Compensation: based on experience low to mid 30's to start"

Anonymous said...

I love that even this crummy job somehow requires 5 years of experience. Oh the old catch 22 of "You need experience to get a job...but without a job, you can't get experience."


Anonymous said...

When's the sick out? When do we get to show these agencies whose REALLY in charge??

Anonymous said...

Agencies are whores. The minute you squash one, another one will pop up.

Anonymous said...

Nigerian-operated scams are infamous for their cleverness and ingenuity. These scams target foreigners worldwide posing risks of both financial loss and personal danger to their victims. Scams are often initiated through Internet postings, unsolicited emails, faxes, and letters, as well as by use of credit cards and Internet cafes in Nigeria. No one should provide personal or financial information to unknown parties or via Nigerian telephone lines. Expanding bilateral law enforcement cooperation, which has resulted in numerous raids on commercial fraud premises, has reduced the overall level of overt fraud activity, but new types of sophisticated scams are introduced daily.

American citizens are very frequently the victims of Nigerian con men/women offering companionship through Internet dating websites. These con men/women almost always pose as American citizens visiting or living in Nigeria who unexpectedly experience a medical, legal, financial or other type of “emergency” that requires the immediate financial assistance of the American citizen in the United States. In these cases, we strongly urge the American citizen in the United States to be very cautious about sending money to this person or any unknown person purportedly acting on his/her behalf, or traveling to Nigeria to meet someone they have only known via the Internet and have never actually met in person. Other common scams involve a promise of an inheritance windfall, a promise of work contracts in Nigeria, or overpayment for goods purchased on-line. For additional information on these types of scams, see the Department of State's publication, International Financial Scams.

Commercial scams or stings that targets foreigners, including many U.S. citizens, continue to be a problem. Such scams may involve U.S. citizens in illegal activity, resulting in arrest, extortion or bodily harm. The scams generally involve phony offers of either outright money transfers or lucrative sales, or contracts with promises of large commissions or up-front payments. Alleged deals frequently invoke the authority of one or more ministries or offices of the Nigerian government and may cite, by name, the involvement of a Nigerian government official. In some scams, government stationery, seals, and offices are used. The ability of U.S. consuls to extricate U.S. citizens from unlawful business deals and their consequences is extremely limited. Since the mid-1990s, several U.S. citizens have been arrested by police officials and held for varying periods on charges of involvement in illegal business scams. Nigerian police do not always inform the U.S. Embassy or Consulate of a U.S. citizen in distress. The U.S. Department of Commerce has issued advisories to the U.S. business community on doing business in Nigeria.

Anonymous said...

12:01 -how can you have a sick out without any jobs? last month there was a lost of 49,000 (perm) jobs and you want a sick out? idiot

Anonymous said...

hey what is up mcarter/hudson over?

Anonymous said...

I bet the ad for the Indian Document review Superstar was a Nigerian scam too. They are probably looking for resumes to emulate and for data to mine and steal ID's with.

Anonymous said...

Yes, do not send your resume and personal information to an unknown e-mail address. If you do, you are just asking for trouble.

Anonymous said...

Google "Dateline NBC: To Catch an ID Thief." One of the episodes includes a Nigerian attorney scam artist.

Anonymous said...

please destroy my credit... there is nothing left.. click .. click... click... click....

Anonymous said...

Rates continue to drop. This might be worse than the Audrey Golden gig, assuming I'm reading it properly.

Kelly Law Registry staffing 1 month project Lots of OT

Kelly Law Registry is staffing a 1 month project for an prestigious law firm in Downtown NYC. All attorneys selected by this client will work directly for this client in the role of a Staff Attorney for the duration of the assignment. Attorneys will be hired directly to our client's payroll at a salary of up to $75k + o/t and staff attorney benefits, for the duration of the assignment. The details:

- Bar Status: Active NY bar

- Experience: Must have at least 6 months of Document Review Experience.

- Start Date: Wednesday June 11

- Duration: 1 Month with potential to extend longer

- Hours: heavy o/t with 12 hour days 7 days per week

- Location: Downtown NYC, Metro Accessible

- Pay Rate: Salary of $75k + o/t and full staff attorneyy benefits

NOTE: you must be able to: provide a copy of their law school transcript, pass a criminal background check, no solo practitioners and cannot work on other matters while employed with our client. If you are interested in this assignment or know of someone who is please contact us immediately.

Please Email Word format of Resume and contact information to:

Arnald Crews

Lori Rones

Anonymous said...

I think that Nigerian guy in the video is working on a project at Sullivan right now.

Anonymous said...

Re: Kelly Law Registry Job.......if this is "real", how is it possible to make $75,000, plus OT when merely advertising a 1 month project - unless saying it is 1 month is so those who were bad hires are let go without reprisal within the or at the end of month is rather expensive to add someone to payroll as a staff attorney, eligible for benefits, unless there is intent to retain the party as a staff attorney for a rather long period of time.......employee status brings with it many obligations. Moreover, if firms are laying off, not inviting first year associates to appear until November, and closing departments, how can they add a bunch of staff attorneys for doc review in a down market. Are they allowing people to work from home?

Anonymous said...

its a pretty good deal. $36 an hour, plus time and a half for overtime, benefits, and could last indefinitely.

Anonymous said...

newsflash...many small firms START know-nothing associates at this rate. Raises come when your worth is proven.

Anonymous said...

If you are hired as a staff attorney with a law firm, with benefits, then it is an indefinite hire. How does one advertise for a staff attorney position, therefore, and tie it to a time certain, with an already anticipated end deadline. It sounds very wierd to me....I do not trust it.

Anonymous said...

I heard the firm behind this bizarre "staff attorney by the month" gig might be Covington & B. Anyone able to verify this? What's that firm's story anyway?

Friend said...

A New Breed of Attorney Enters the Fray
Possession of technical and legal knowledge is essential to an e-discovery lawyer

By Irene Gamer
New Jersey Law Journal
June 13, 2008

In an article entitled "E-Discovery Attorneys: Hot or Not?" published at, a recruiter named Seth Davis contended that the recent technology boom has produced great demand on the part of corporations and law firms for a new kind of attorney -- the e-discovery counsel. This article attempts to define the concept of e-discovery counsel by explaining the type of positions held by e-discovery counsel, and the responsibilities and skills required of them.

E-discovery counsel are attorneys who possess the technical and legal knowledge to understand and manage e-discovery. E-discovery is certainly not new. Attorneys have been involved in it from the moment records were produced through a computer system. However, the volume of electronically stored information involved in litigation today, combined with the complexity and varieties of technology used to store and retrieve ESI, have created a need for attorneys who specialize in e-discovery rather than merely deal with it once in a while as an ancillary matter. E-discovery counsel are sought by law firms that find e-discovery issues increasingly taking center stage in litigation and need a "go-to" person to resolve these issues. E-discovery counsel are also sought by organizations to serve as outside, in-house or national counsel.

Many attorneys who hold themselves out as e-discovery counsel engage in e-discovery as part of a complex litigation practice. However, there is a trend among larger law firms toward creating interdisciplinary groups dedicated to addressing e-discovery issues. Such groups are typically comprised of e-discovery counsel, paralegals and information technology personnel. They are responsible for helping other litigators resolve e-discovery issues that arise in the latter's cases. Because e-discovery has become a pervasive issue in litigation, attorneys who practice in such specialized groups are likely to concentrate solely on e-discovery-related matters.

The prelitigation responsibilities of e-discovery counsel working in law firms may include any combination of the following: helping clients select and manage litigation support vendors; counseling clients on records management and litigation hold policies; assisting with the issuance of, and response to, litigation hold notices; providing litigation hold training; and assisting in tracking compliance with litigation hold notices. During litigation, e-discovery counsel may be responsible for: assisting clients with ESI preservation, collection, review and production; advocating on behalf of clients at discovery conferences; participating in preparation of discovery requests and responses; taking, defending or assisting with depositions likely to include e-discovery related issues; and providing trial support to other attorneys.

Few corporate legal departments possess the resources to conduct all e-discovery themselves. However, the current trend is definitely toward corporate counsel bringing more e-discovery work in-house. Larger corporate legal departments tend to be further along in this respect. Similar to private law firms, larger corporations are creating interdisciplinary e-discovery groups comprised of personnel from the in-house legal, compliance, records, IT, human resources and management departments, or any combination thereof.

The prelitigation responsibilities of in-house e-discovery counsel may include any combination of the following: designing, implementing and coordinating the company's record management and e-discovery practices; communicating the duty to preserve to company personnel and ensuring compliance with preservation policies; and managing outside counsel and vendors. During litigation, in-house e-discovery counsel may be responsible for: working with outside counsel to ensure they take consistent positions regarding representations about the company's data processing or storage practices, and the accessibility of the ESI; and assisting local counsel in addressing e-discovery issues with adversaries and in courts.

National e-discovery counsel are hired by organizations to handle or coordinate e-discovery issues in all of the organizations' cases. The retention of national e-discovery counsel is a new, but growing trend among organizations. The role of national e-discovery counsel is modeled on the practice of many organizations in retaining a "national coordinating counsel" to supervise the process of defending the organization in complex litigation. National e-discovery counsel may develop and coordinate uniform policies for producing ESI that ensure compliance with federal, state and local e-discovery rules, and case law; develop uniform procedures for data retention, backup and destruction; assist local counsel in addressing e-discovery issues with adversaries and in courts; and manage transactions with outside vendors.

While the responsibilities of e-discovery counsel vary depending on whether they serve as outside, in-house or national counsel, all must have certain skills. They must:

Have a great grasp of the rules and case law governing e-discovery: In New Jersey, this means knowing the applicable Federal Rules of Civil Procedure, State Rules of Civil Practice and Local Civil Rules of the District of New Jersey. However, while these rules guide counsel during litigation, they do not guide counsel regarding their prelitigation responsibilities. Case law fills this gap.

Learn information technology terminology: A good understanding of IT is indispensable. While corporate IT and third-party technology experts can and often do advise e-discovery counsel on technical aspects of the e-discovery process, counsel must have sufficient understanding of IT to interpret the technical information they receive into practical terms that other counsel, clients and courts will understand.

Know how to deal with your clients: E-discovery counsel advise clients on e-discovery matters during normal business operations and litigation. Counsel must be prepared to not only resolve their clients' e-discovery issues, but also train their clients on best practices to be implemented regarding record keeping and management.

Know how to deal with the court: Counsel must meet with their adversaries and be prepared to discuss any issues relating to e-discovery, including form of production. Counsel must also be prepared to enter into agreements regarding document production and privilege that courts will approve. Counsel must be able to present e-discovery issues in practical terms that judges who do not have a background in IT will understand.

Know how to deal with your adversaries: Counsel must know how to request information from their adversaries. This requires an understanding of what type of ESI the counsel are looking for and where it is stored. Counsel must also know which information to produce and make sure that they are not overproducing by, for example, including metadata in their responses. Counsel must protect their clients from requests for ESI that is not reasonably accessible. Also, counsel must know how to protect their clients from paying unduly burdensome costs of production by negotiating cost-shifting agreements.

In sum, the e-discovery counsel are here to stay. Because e-discovery is involved in virtually any type of litigation, it is likely that sooner or later most attorneys will become competent in e-discovery. However, this does not mean that the need for e-discovery counsel will decrease. To the contrary, the enormous time commitment and effort involved in learning how to conduct e-discovery means that there will be a continuing need for e-discovery counsel in the future. This is particularly true in light of the fact that e-discovery practice is becoming increasingly complex due to the growing volume, duplication, and dispersal of ESI in current litigation, the mushrooming technologies associated with storage and retrieval of ESI, and the exponential growth of case law and rules. The good news for all attorneys is that anyone wishing to acquire the skills necessary to tap into this challenging area of concentration have access to a wealth of e-discovery education provided by law firms, bar associations and vendors.

Irene Gamer specializes in labor and employment law and is an associate with McElroy, Deutsch, Mulvaney & Carpenter in Newark, N.J

Anonymous said...

Please, you people should stop blaming every scam on Nigerians. Nigerian is just like any country in this world with good and bad people. Look at what is going on wall street. Maybe you should also blame that on Nigerians. Get a life folks.