4/06/08-
"Dear Tom,
I was one of the recipients of the email axe from Hudson yesterday, and I guess I'm as pissed off as any of the rest of us who received the same message. They obviously didn't have the nerve to tell anyone in person. What wimps! The irony (for lack of a better word) is that, after a day without almost any assignments, David King stood in front of us on Friday and announced that the office was closing at 5 p.m. But he was quick to reassure us that that there's still lots of work ahead and that he'd see us all on Monday. The humane way of handling this situation would have been to end things then and there, and do the honorable thing by telling us the truth. At least that way we'd have had the opportunity to gather up our belongings and leave with some dignity. Now I'm put in the uncomfortable position of having to return to the office to retrieve my personal possessions when I no longer work there. I refuse to feel humiliated, but it sure will be uncomfortable.
Being treated this way is no way to thank those of us who worked extra hours and worked hard. Last time I checked, it doesn't cost extra money to treat people respectfully and professionally."
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The axe has fallen, and the anger is palpable.
"Fucking scumbag thieves (Hudson) said this project would last 4 to 6 months and send a fucking email when axing everyone. Pussies can't even call people.
David King and Vlad (The impaler) claimed that there was plenty of work....
I should have jumped ship a month ago.
Now the market is going to be flooded with us loser coders.
Read that a few people have mentioned the Newark project. Well, hate to break it to you, but make sure you have your welcoming mat down, because about 200 + contract lawyers just got fired this weekend, and they are saying the project is winding up...
Remember there are 800 of us."
312 comments:
«Oldest ‹Older 201 – 312 of 312Did they have the let's smooth things over chat? On my last project, they tried to console us after the sudden axing of half the project. Despite all of their kind assurances, they chopped off the rest of us 1 week later.
Just got this from the Hudson team: .... telling me to mail in my ID card. Like I could be assed to do that. It's just a piece of plain white paper with my picture superimposed on it like some reject from Alcatraz.... for your reading pleasure, I give you: Hudson!
Good evening once again, we hope all is well.
Just a brief note for now – we thank you very much once again for your work on the project with McCarter & English.
We would like to remind each of you to please forward your updated resume to us if you have not yet done so. We would be pleased to seek new projects for you as soon as possible should you wish us to do so.
Additionally, there are two housekeeping notes. Please do return to us your photo ID badges form your work site. You may either mail your badge to our attention at Hudson Legal, 560 Lexington Avenue, 4th floor, New York, NY 10022, or you can simply drop it off in person, perhaps while picking up your check at our offices at Wednesday. If you would like to pick up your check or paystub in person please call us early Wednesday morning so that we might ensure your check is held here rather than mailed to you.
Secondly, if you have any personal items you would like to retrieve from the Newark work site, you may pick it up at 90 Mulberry Street during business hours tomorrow – the items have been gathered and are organized right near the receptionist desk when you enter the building. If you can’t pick up your items there tomorrow please call us on Wednesday – the items will either remain for another day or two in Newark or might be sent to our office in Manhattan on Wednesday morning for pickup here.
Thank you very much once more – we look forward to speaking with you and hopefully working with you again soon!
With best regards,
The Hudson Legal Placement Team
I was on the Hudson project and made a decision to jump shit a few weeks ago. I knew the market was going to be flooded when everyone was let go. I left in such a way that I wouldn't get in trouble with Hudson. I don't blame Hudson. We are all here for the same purpose. To make money. I've made mine, they've made theirs. I'm just sorry for people who left their homes in MD and Philly to come here and paid money for rent, cars, parking, train tickets, e.t.c.
I mean, for those acting all shocked, the writing was on the wall. You should have known that it was ending. Except if this was your first or second gig. As I said, I got mines!! I am laughing all the way to the bank. Booo-yaaaahhhh!!!
This is so awesome. It's great to see a bunch of nasty fuckers get their just reward- umemployment! YEAH!!
No hard feelings here. Maybe it's my litigator sensibility, but my ample gut (a fine coder's physique I've developed) told me the axe was going to fall. No work on Wednesday, Thursday, or Friday and Monday and Tuesday was worthless ranges. If you bought the hype, you need to start listening to those gut feelings.
I got told 5-6 months when I signed up and have been on for 3 months. If this goes to mid-May, there's not much of a lie. Sure, I could go on a rant ("blah blah blah, it's bullshit; blah blah blah, foam slab; blah blah, hanger steak and a beer") but when DK came in all last week to reassure us, that was writing on the wall.
For those who need a clearer sign, I hear that on Monday that painters are coming in to finish the painting on the unfinished walls (jk)
reviewers should never be blamed for following the number one rule in document review: get the money when it is on the table.
6 to 1
according to wikipedia, Sweatshop workers often are forced to work extended overtime hours and paid less than minimum wage. were you guys paid less than minimum wage? i think not, now shut up and stop your complaining. you were all adequately compensated for your work. 35 dollars an hour plus time and a half over 40 hours, and NOONE forced you to work past 40 hours. you just wanted to win the tv. now your temp. job is over.
you cant have it both ways. you cant expect to be paid that kind of money for doing mindless work forever. the job was over. now go to your next project and complain how bad it is, while you cash in your paychecks. the world feels so bad for you that you are in the highest tax bracket in the country, you are gaining so much sympathy and support from the masses.
Hard-Fought Attorney Union Campaign in Minn. AG’s Office
Posted Mar 13, 2008, 11:06 am CDT
By Martha Neil
Ground zero in a union-organizing effort that has attracted international attention might strike some as an unlikely venue.
But the 135-lawyer Minnesota attorney general's office is a worker-rights hot spot. Nearly one-third of the staff lawyers allegedly have left, either of their own volition or because they were forced out, during a hard-fought yearlong union organizing effort that is still ongoing, according to the Workday Minnesota website.
Now the Star Tribune (reg. req.) reports that an assistant attorney general has been placed on administrative leave this week, over what she claims was a trumped-up legal ethics charge resulting from her union-organizing activities.
After assistant attorney general Amy Lawler publicly voiced concerns that the office was filing some lawsuits with, she now says, sufficient but lackluster merit, Attorney General Lori Swanson disciplined her for not reporting her concerns to the Minnesota Board of Professional Responsibility, the Minneapolis-St. Paul newspaper reports.
But an official of a union that is seeking to organize the attorneys, the American Federation of State, County, and Municipal Employees, says the move seems to have been intended to punish Lawyer for speaking out about legitimate concerns. "Who will uphold our Constitution if Minnesota's top lawyer expects her own employees to surrender their right to free speech and assembly?" says Eliot Seide, the director of AFSCME Council 5.
Swanson contends that attorneys in her office are prohibited by state law from forming a union.
Temp attorney union sign up next Saturday at 3pm. Starbucks, Park and 27th.
How many newrk leads does it take to change a light bulb?
Whatever happened to Prathima? Last I heard she was sent for "training" at 90 Mulberry St.
The end of another marvelous Hudson project.
does anyone know anything about staffing for the rumored vytorin project? e.g., has anyone been called for it, has it even started yet, what is the estimated start date, salary, etc?
Anyone else think Prathima is hot?
Anyone ever work for Peak Counsel?
Is Helen Diamond good to deal with?
Helene will scream at you, if you politely turn down a project. She is a raving lunatic.
Has anyone gone to Newark to turn in an ID badge or pick up belongings?
Newark Update: The Newark Team Leads are still sitting around doing nothing, and the few people left are doing all of the work. Hours are Monday to Friday. Some new people are still there, but only Hudson people. Everyone is on the 4th floor of 90 Mulberry now.
1:25- Most of the details about the Vytorin project are still speculation.
If you go to hudson.com and look up jobs in Philly, they have a February 12th listing for 45 attorneys for a 6 to 12-month project in Philadelphia that requires you to have a PA license or a plan to take the exam. I assume this is the Vytorin project as it says it will start in early April, and Dechert currently requires people to be licensed in PA.
I assume the project will be at 2 Logan Square (18th and Arch) as they still have plenty of space rented out on the third floor.
There still are 40+ Vioxx reviewers left there. They are the lifers of the document-review world. Most have been there for about three years and have given up hope that they ever will be successful. You all know this type of contract attorney-- the type who would never criticize the agency or the law firm because they are just grateful to have a job. So what they haven't gotten a raise in two years-- they get free pizza every other Friday! You will be working with these people as they have been told they will be working on Vytorin.
The review probably will start soon as they have recalled most of the Dechert staff attorneys to 2 Logan, and people have reported seeing boxes of documents ready to be loaded into the system and reviewed. In the meantime, they have the coders reviewing leftover Vioxx stuff.
It is still unclear if Simon will lead the project or if his heir apparent Helen will step into the captain’s chair. Simon has been preoccupied with the Amgen review, but Dechert may send him back to Vytorin because Merck is such an important client. It also is unclear how much the job will pay. Based on prevailing wages, I would guess it will start at $30 or $32, and the people who are there now haven’t been told if they will continue to make $35 (the most optimistic among them are hoping for a raise).
Finally, it is unclear how much of the work will be given to Dechert to do. Vytorin was developed jointly with Schering-Plough, and SP’s law firm Kirkland and Ellis is a much larger, more prestigious firm than Dechert.
A raise, above $35? It's a new project. Any entry-level coding monkey can do it for $32, or possibly even less.
4:49 PM, how do you know so much about what is going on inside the deckert office? And why do you seem to have contempt for the contractors left working at Deckert?
Allan Cohen is the devil
5:10-- Cuz I work there, and it is a living hell.
1:35, it's hard to think of Prathima as hot when all I could think about was how much I wanted to smack her each time she insulted one of us or said something demeaning.
7:37-- THAT could be hot if you are into the S&M thing!
Dear 4:49/6:31:
I work at 2 Logan too. I've been there three years. I haven't given up hope. Hope for what? I choose to do document review because I find the work to be easy and to pay reasonably well. I practiced law at a high level for a while and actually enjoy this work more. I like the mindless work and the chill atmosphere of the last 6 months. I like the fact that when I leave work for the day, I don't have to think about it again until the next day. I actually like most of the people I work with and for. While Simon has certainly had his asshole moments in the past, he has been pretty easy to be around since October or so of last year. I don't consider my work environment to be a "living hell". If you really do, then you have a poor frame of reference of what a "living hell" is. And if you work at 2 Logan and feel that way, you should look elsewhere for work.
By the way, I worked for three weeks on Seroquel at two Logan. I had enough training to do what I was asked to do. I'm comfortable that my work product was competent. Thanks for the informational update on how things are going at 2 Logan. As for your insults to me and people like me....Fuck Off.
I am utterly confused as to what temp attornys expect. We were treated very well in Philly. This is how the whole thing works and it was a better project than most. And yeah, we're all paid a bit more than sweatshop workers. Go try working in public interest if you want to complain.
newark update, vlad likes his job.
I am currently on a long term project for Hudson. We do NOT get free pizza, and I am PISSED OFF!
Free pizza is yummy.
Tell david king to eat a dick
Dear 8:29:
I agree with you that Simon has been much better for the past six months or so. However, that doesn't excuse his behavior prior to that time.
Don't you think I've tried to get out of here? I have sent out hundreds of resumes for permanent jobs, but this job is a huge black hole on my resume. I won't say where I went because I don't want to give away who I am. I will say it wasn't the toilet school Widener, but it was one of the second/third-tier schools in this area. That doesn't help either.
I think it's sad that you "enjoy" the "mindless work." Is that why you went to law school? So you could do mindless work? Pathetic! You are a perfect example of why people have such a low opinion of temps. You’re nothing but a well-paid trained monkey.
The effect this work has on us is sad. When I started, a bunch of people said it was only temporary until they found something better. Almost all of those people are still here. Meanwhile, a bunch of people who did leave for real jobs couldn't hack it and ended up coming back.
As far as the “living hell” comment, I actually wasn’t referring to Simon or Dechert or Hudson. I was referring to how hard it has been to turn off my brain and look at these same documents over and over and over again for three years.
Also, it kills my soul to come in here and put up with people like you. Everyone who had brain or had some life in him or her was laid off, fired or quit for greener pastures. This place has become the abandoned way station for the freaks and morons no one else wants. You have no idea how hard to come in here every day and pretend to be nice to you all.
Sincerely,
The Guy or Gal Sitting Next to You
There are hot people in Philly by the way. Team leads and staff attornys (BC anyone?).
Yes, let's talk about the hot people in Philly..your vote for hot guys and girls?
we laughed. we logged hours. we move on. but we know TLs will never practice actual Law (qua law).
It's so frustrating to have worked your ass off to get through school and pass the bar, only to hear people trashing your school all the time. Maybe Widener is not well ranked, but that doesn't take away from the fact that the people that go there work really hard to make it. I thought this blog is supposed to be about comraderie among temps, not trashing people's schools. It's not cool to diminish people's hard work.
It's so frustrating to have worked your ass off to get through school and pass the bar, only to hear people trashing your school all the time. Maybe Widener is not well ranked, but that doesn't take away from the fact that the people that go there work really hard to make it. I thought this blog is supposed to be about comraderie among temps, not trashing people's schools. It's not cool to diminish people's hard work.
Widener is TTT.
Widener is TTT.
I thought "TTT" meant "THIRD-tier toilet," so, technically, wouldn't Widener be "FTT"?
9:32-- no offense to you and your hard work, but schools like yours and Thomas Cooley (I've met three document reviewers who attended that wonderful Michigan institution, and my dog is smarter than all three combined) help feed the oversupply in the market.
Unless you graduate top of your class at Widener, no one wants to touch you, and that school has become a feeder institution for document review projects in the city.
We should be shutting down schools like Widener-- not opening schools like Drexel.
Widener helps bring down doc. review rates.
The DeNovo Ho is laughing her ass off! You temp losers now belong to me, Dance Losers Dance!
Announcement in NYLJ that Craig G. Brown (E.P. Dine Temp Division's former CEO) now moving to Strategic Legal as a Co-President.......Recall, Strategic has the new Joint Venture with a company in India e.g. doc reviewers. Wonder indeed if his move and that JV offered by Strategic has anything to do with Hudson losing the account at McCarter last Friday with the 500+ firings??????
Dear 4:49/6:31/11:07 or should I just call you Ian?
I'm sorry you've sent three hundred resumes and still can't get a permanent job. That must be really difficult for you and explains how you can be so miserable but still remain at 2 Logan. What it doesn't explain is why that misery affords you the right to smear your co-workers. I don't need a snivelling, tatoo board who can't land a "real" job lecturing me about self actualization or questioning my intelligence like I'm the moron or I'm pathetic.
How does that work for you Ian? Does it make you feel better about yourself to attack your co-workers? Quit trying to tear down other people and work on yourself--or better yet, just shut the fuck up and spare me your mischanneled self-hate.
Signed: the guy or girl sitting next to you
Pramitha is hot like curry! She is now on the 4th floor of mulberry...
300 resumes isn't a large job search. thats about 10 resumes a day for a month.
Casey is hot. There's also a hot shorter guy with muscles on Casey's team.
hahahah. this is hilarious. i'm willing to bet it's the same girl who keeps posting about a "hot guys" list.
Okay, we get it. You have a crush on team lead Casey. Can you quit it already? Or simply start up a website "i love casey" dot com. Enough with the comments already.
I don't miss Omar's dragon breath. Omar's breath is kickin like the Rockettes. Omar's breath smells like he sucks toes for a living.
Omar, your lame personality isn't the problem. As a parting gift, I leave you Scope.
My guess is that the I love Casey front is either Casey himself or is Girlfriend trying to check if she is doing the right thing by dating him. I would drop it already before you give out too much confirming information about yourself.
In reference to the person that was trying to use the Wikipedia definition of what a sweatshop is, the actual definition of a sweatshop does not require minimum wage. Here is the full Wiki-definition for those who are interested:
A sweatshop is a working environment with very difficult or dangerous conditions, usually where the workers have few rights or ways to address their situation.
This can include exposure to harmful materials, hazardous situations, extreme temperatures, or abuse from employers.
Sweatshop workers are often forced to work long hours for little or no pay, regardless of any laws mandating overtime pay or a minimum wage.
Child labor laws may also be violated.
Though often associated with third-world countries, sweatshops can exist in any country. Sweatshops have existed in several cultures, including Early American culture beginning in the 1850's. Sweatshops can produce many different goods, from clothing to furniture.
Meanwhile, defenders of sweatshops, such as Paul Krugman[1] and Johan Norberg[2], claim that people choose to work in sweatshops because the sweatshops offer them substantially higher wages and better working conditions compared to their previous jobs of manual farm labor, and that sweatshops are an early step in the process of technological and economic development whereby a poor country turns itself into a rich country.
In addition, sometimes when anti-sweatshop activists were successful in getting sweatshops to close, some of the women and children who had been working in the sweatshops ended up starving to death, while others ended up turning to prostitution. [3]
what about the guy Lee, he is pretty cute
Prathemia is way to vain to be hot, and she wears more makeup then a tranny
Never knew Prathima as a team lead so don't know what you guys may have suffered with her in that role.
However, do think she's got a sexy exotic look going on-wouldn't mind seeing her in a bikini-probably hotter than chicken vindaloo with no water to drink.
Is it true that several people recently got burned by the flames roaring out of David Kings closeted ass?
dumbest team lead?
allan cohen is the fkin devil
What exactly is your beef with Allan Cohen?
how can a temp agency engage in a questionable labor practice. Don't they just place you at a job site. is everyone upset at the job sites or at the agencies i am confused. someone educate me please. doesnt the agency get you the job and send you a paycheck and you never deal with them again besides sending them hours worked?
I have been a document reviewer for years and have worked for just about every agency and have worked in just about every possible scenario. You always get treated like shit but I have never been in a situation where someone like David King outwardly and blatantly lied to all of our faces, that was disgusting and I hope the asshole loses sleep at night
2:36-- it depends on the project. The best ones I have done tend to be the smaller ones where you are supervised by the company or firm and don't have to interact with the agency at all.
In other cases, the agency will rent out space, and you have little or no contact with the client.
From my experience, the worst scenarios are ones like the Vioxx case. I worked at 2 Logan, and no one wanted to take responsibility for anything. Hudson ran the site with Dechert. If you wanted to complain that they never cleaned the office or that you needed a new mouse, you never knew whom to approach. Hudson blamed Dechert. Dechert blamed Hudson. They both blamed Merck. It really sucked.
Doyle is the hottest guy at the philly office. I also heard he was hung like a horse!
Posted on March 15th. 5-6 months? Hudson is such a liar.
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After getting over the initial blow to my gut for having the wool pulled over my eyes and actually falling for it, I thought about the fact that I wasn't just robbed of my integrity I was robbed of the chance to say goodbye to some really great people. So to the crew closest to the kitchen and team Nirvana, consider this a group hug. We had some priceless laughs and I'll never forget it. I wish you all success in the future and Tim I hope to be reading about you in the Ledger after you settle your case for millions of dollars.
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1 week later and I'm already on a new project. Quit your bitching.
I was working on a Hudson project at Hughes, Hubbard & Reed until this afternoon. The project was supposed to last 3-4 months, but actually only went for a month and half. At 4:45 today they told us the project was done. All 15 of us doc reviewers were all out of there by 5pm. So goes the life of a contract attorney...
That's right, if you want a job to last, get a P E R M job. Getting chopped is the deal with temp. If you don't like it, don't temp.
The end.
1:35 AM,
My experience is that today there is no such thing as a permanent job. Getting the pink slip is often the deal with any job at a law firm. If the firm loses some important clients, the associates are often done for. This has happened to several people I know.
I'd say if you don't like it, don't work at all. That's the only way you can ever guarantee not getting fired or let go!
I like raisons
Pramitha is hot!
Who is the "Shuffler?"
Chop, chop, chop!!!
Team Nirvana will always live on.
Sincerely, Rev. Wright
hi vald, hope you enjoy your sunday. now walk your dog
Amen Rev. Wright
When I was on the project, Pat McCabe in the Philly office was really good looking. I also thought Eric Vath was good looking. This guy Dave with on maybe Pat's team was hot. Cherly is beautiful.
At the 2 Logan freak show, Simon made it a policy not to hire attractive women, so most of the women there were hideous (not that the guys were much to write home about either :-)
Oye Vey!
What a lack of female talent at Newark!!!
couple of cute ones at 100 mulberry... all gone now
got a job with lexolution, 40 flat, 50 hours, interested give them a call, beats 400 unemployment
Project is ending soon: the Philly team leads all got $5G today... for what, I'm not quite sure- some of 'em just walk around all day holding legal pads...
5G? explain. Same in newark?
In the New York office, certain people were asked to come into the office the last day of the project by team leaders, Matt and Jared. Some of the few chosen were obvious, QC people, others who started in the NJ office who did good work, others were chosen based on their ability to giggle and talk about other attorneys and other high school topics loudly all day and take long lunch hours with Matt. Once told they were the "chosen" ones, Matt and Jared proceeded to tell them not to say anything to their co-workers. Some did anyway and gave the heads up to others. What started out as being a great office to work in, believe it or not with David King at the helm, turned into a joke towards the end, with favortism to those who didn't work the hours we were pressed to put in or did low quality work and the incompetence of team leader Jared who didn't know the the answer to the most basic of questions. That same week upon orders from David via Jared, we were informed to "speed" up the work and stop making mistakes...a veiled threat of being fired. This all going down, while the powers that be knew, the project would be ending.
I made my money, we had space to move around unlike Newark, a great location, I have no real complaints other than David needs to think long and hard about who he makes team lead and their ability to lead in a professional manner. We all knew the ax was going to fall, however the way it was handled was totally unprofessional. Then again its just me venting...this is the temporary attorney world.
2+ weeks and counting without any work.....and 2+ days without "I have an announcement" (I love hearing people talk who love to hear themselves talk.....I want an "announcement").
How long can they pay us to sit and read a magazine all day?
Probably not much longer. I'm guessing more cuts or Newark complete closure by end of day Friday.
Old man McCarter is sharpening his axe again, chop chop chop!
still hot
What's still hot?
The axe blade from all the chopping that's hapenin'
Matt in the Newark office is a complete asshole. He was kicked out of one building and sent to another only to act like he was the shit. Telling others to quiet down while he loudly talked up a storm and stayed texting while seated at his computer-a cardinal sin from what I understand. Matt- hope you are reading this or one of your little flunkies report back to you- you are JUST A TEMP ATTORNEY too. I landed on a MUCH better project working with PERMANENT attorneys who supervise and have a better answer than "what did David say?" You are a joke and a loser and I hope you are out of work for a very long time. Maybe David will let you move in with him? You two seemed awfully cozy. Ya bastard.
check your emails Saturday after 12 PM...
lets make it to 300!!!
Julie Dailey can eat my poo!
yeah f mw
Yummy, yummy Pizza Fridays rule!
David King said I could stay on if I would give him a Dirty Sanchez while Vlad sat in the corner and watched.
Well, that wouldn't be the first instance of a team lead keeping on a booty-call...
Vlad let me stay on after I motorboated him. I still have sweaty hair in my nostrils.
Only if Vlad offered us up Lauren Gibson as a sacfricial lamb...then it would worth it
Julie Dailey sucks ass (but then again, so do most of the temp attorneys-- Steve Mote and Jim, the human weasel, this means you!).
Hasn't that shitstain project been shut down yet? Anybody left?
They will have to drag the Vioxxers out kicking and screaming. My hope is that Hudson and Dechert will thank them for their hard work and loyalty by sending them an e-mail saying they cancelled Vytorin and that all of them are out of jobs.
For the laid off McCarter ppl, Hudson has yet another huge document review project lined up. Saw the ad for it yesterday.
THE NEWARK PROJECT IS RAMPING UP AGAIN! MORE HOURS! HOORAY!
7:51 Where is the ad?
anything new?
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this thing still on?
yeah
June 30, 2008 is the end of the line for the McCarter project in Newark.
thanks...
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