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"Quinn has instituted a no talking policy on the project. On Friday, a rat bastard associate, a real putz, watched people like a hawk. He walked around constantly checking to see what temps were doing. Under the guise of asking if temps had questions, he kept up his harassment until another supervisor took over. This Quinn micromanagement will not help their case. It just alienates temps who will click away wildly and produce a crappy work product. Quinn has no idea how to treat people in a respectful and professional manner thereby creating a positive and productive work environment. It you don't treat temps as professionals, you breed resentment, and a pissed off temp will screw you everytime. Quinn mangement should tell the putz associate to back off and stop acting like a Gestapo agent. The paranoia of Quinn is just over the top. They act like temps are trying to steal from them. They seem to believe that temps need to be supervised like kids by their rat bastard associates and direct hire contract attorneys. In this environment of distrust and paranoia, nothing positive can be accomplished in representing the client."
they look so ridiculous I can't get over it.
they look so ridiculous I can't get over it.
Does affirmative action hurt minorities?
Racial preferences may be setting up many black and Latino law students for failure.
By Vikram Amar and Richard H. Sander
September 26, 2007
The Los Angeles Times
IMAGINE, FOR A MOMENT, that a program designed to aid disadvantaged students might, instead, be seriously undermining their performance. Imagine that the schools administering the programs were told that the programs might be having this boomerang effect -- but that no one
investigated further because the programs were so popular and the prospect of change was so politically controversial.
Now imagine that an agency had collected enough information on student performance that it might, by carefully studying or releasing the data, illuminate both the problem and the possible solutions. What should the agency do?
This is not a hypothetical question. The schools involved are dozens of law schools in California and elsewhere, and the program is the system of affirmative action that enables hundreds of minority law students to attend more elite institutions than their credentials alone would allow. Data from across the country suggest to some researchers that when law students attend schools where their credentials (including LSAT scores and college grades) are much lower than the median at the school, they actually learn less, are less likely to graduate and are nearly twice as likely to fail the bar exam than they would have been had they gone to less elite schools. This is known as the "mismatch effect."
The mismatch theory is controversial. One of us (Sander) has advanced it in the academic literature. The other (Amar) believes that while it raises substantial questions, it has not been empirically proved. Some dismiss the whole idea as nothing more than a politically motivated attack on affirmative action or, even worse, an attack on blacks and Latinos -- the main recipients of current preferences. Many rightly point out that definitive conclusions are difficult because the data available to researchers thus far have been limited in very important ways.
Still, certain facts are indisputable. Data from one selective California law school from 2005 show that students who received large preferences were 10 times as likely to fail the California bar as students who received no preference. After the passage of Proposition 209, which limited the use of racial preferences at California's public universities, in-state bar passage rates for blacks and Latinos went up relative to out-of-state bar passage rates. To the extent that students of color moved from UC schools to less elite ones (as seems likely), the post-209 experience is consistent with the mismatch theory.
In general, research shows that 50% of black law students end up in the bottom 10th of their class, and that they are more than twice as likely to drop out as white students. Only one in three black students who start law school graduate and pass the bar on their first attempt; most never become lawyers. How much of this might be attributable to the mismatch effect of affirmative action is still a matter of debate, but the problem cries out for attention.
A lot of legal scholars who focus on empirical work agree that the mismatch effect deserves serious study. A few weeks ago, the U.S. Commission on Civil Rights issued a 280-page report on these issues that came to the same conclusion.
The best data in the nation for studying any mismatch effect in law schools reside in the archives of the State Bar of California, the state agency that administers the bar exam and oversees the conduct of lawyers. Starting in the 1980s, the California bar has maintained careful records on the backgrounds of bar exam-takers and their performance on its tests. With this data, it is possible to compare how students with similar college grades and LSAT scores do on the bar when they've attended different law schools and experienced different types of legal education. It is also possible to more deeply compare the bar performance of minority students before and after Proposition 209 and use other careful techniques to test whether the mismatch effect exists.
Given the richness of the data and the intensity of interest in the mismatch issue, it was not surprising that a blue-ribbon panel of diverse scholars (including both of us) approached the bar with a detailed proposal to study its data, backed by full funding and letters of support from dozens of scholars, law school deans and public officials.
But although the California bar was initially enthusiastic, one of its committees recently rejected the study proposal. Its stated reasons are implausible; it expressed concern, for example, about disclosing confidential information; but the proposed study includes the bar's own in-house expert, thus mooting the need for any data release.
It seems more probable that the bar, like many law schools, is simply queasy about touching a delicate area. The Society of American Law Teachers captured this sentiment in a letter it sent the California bar, cautioning it against releasing the information because, it said, "SALT is concerned about the potential negative impacts upon minority bar applicants and attorneys" who "already face a variety of misperceptions about their qualifications." By this reasoning, no one should seriously attempt to get to the bottom of racial disparities in bar performance because the attempt itself would make more people aware of the disparities!
We know of no serious scholar who has denied, or reasonably could deny, that the study we're proposing would shed some important light on a vital public policy issue. It would not be the final word on mismatch theory, no doubt, but it would be an important step that would advance understanding of the subject. We hope the bar's board of governors, which oversees what is, after all, a public agency, will reconsider in the coming weeks and decide to make its make its information available for research.
A generation ago, the late U.S. Supreme Court Justice Harry Blackmun wrote in Regents of UC vs. Bakke, the famous UC Davis affirmative action case, that for society to get beyond race, the government must first take account of race. Last summer, Chief Justice John G. Roberts Jr. countered that the way to get beyond racial discrimination was for government to stop using race as a consideration. We suspect both justices would agree that however one feels about race-conscious school admissions policies, it is vital that we do our best to understand the effects of those policies, and doing that requires more, not less, analysis of real-world data.
Vikram Amar is a professor of law at UC Davis School of Law. Richard H. Sander is a professor of law at UCLA.
Author: Ashit from Bangalore
Time: September 26, 2007 - 11:14 pm
I support my friend Vikram Amar. I remember the days when, as children, we frolicked at Cubbon Park in Bangalore, celebrating the festival of Ganesh Chaturthi. I always knew that he would make something of himself, and I am not surprised that he has risen to the admirable position of Professor of Law at UC Davis, which, I hear, is a top school. Perhaps one day I will teach at a law school in California? Does one actually need any qualifications in that state? I hope not.
Even as a child, he was a proponent of taking lower-caste people and placing them into powerful high-caste positions. One day, he elevated a local prostitute to the position of Chief Yogurt Salesperson at his father's store. I was not surprised when she stole the yogurt, urinated on his cash machine, and eloped with the proceeds. However, Vikram seemed a bit down.
I guess what I am trying to say is that I support Vikram. However, I do not know this Sander, and I hope he is not a bad influence on my old friend. That is all.
"In general, research shows that 50% of black law students end up in the bottom 10th of their class, and that they are more than twice as likely to drop out as white students. Only one in three black students who start law school graduate and pass the bar on their first attempt; most never become lawyers."
THIS IS WHY THERE ARE SO FEW BLACK BIG LAW ASSOCIATES--NOT DISCRIMINATION!
http://www.abovethelaw.com/2007/09/more_reflections_on_contract_a_1.php#more
What research are you citing? Sources???? Statistics can be easily manipulated to support any viewpoint. Secondly, I'm curious as to the percentage of white people who end up in the lower 10% of their class.
At my law school, a tier one school, all of the black students in my class graduated, whereas a number of white students dropped out. I find it interesting whenever I'm on this site, how many temp attorneys love to throw out supposed racial facts in a half hearted attempt to speak out against affirmative action. I can only assume that most if not all of the people posting this commentary are white people. Call me crazy, but I think that a lot of these race baiters are angry that they have to code documents all day with minorities and feel that they should be associates or partners at law firms. The funny thing about affirmative action is that at the end of the day the biggest benefactors of it, are white families, through white women. Yes, affirmative action also includes women--not just black people. It includes a whole host of other cultures as well, but since many of you have a hard on for black people, that's all you see. Ciao for now.
Also . . . since we're being racist-- I think Vikram should shut the fuck up and go back to making subway sandwiches or working at 7-11.
yea, and all you crackers should get back to coding!!!!!!!!
Jeah, put down your Starbucks chai vanilla soy latte and start clickin' your mouse white boy!
I'm white and have been all of my life, but some of the best coders I know are black.
I've been black for my whole life and the level of "crusaderism" among whites never ceases to amaze me. You people are always whining over the supposed advantages or pining about the plight of the black man. We don't need you to help us, especially you upper class white suburbanite law school types. We can only help ourselves. Leave us alone because the problems you percieve among us are just that, YOUR perceptions. WE don't need WHITE people telling us what BLACK problems are and then "helping" us solve them. Those "solutions" are WHITE "solutions" made by WHITE people. We need BLACK solutions to BLACK problems.
Leave us alone.
Exactly Black Caesar, I'm embarassed for those whites, but they think they are helping and are simply clueless.
- white boy
As a white man I can fully relate to the mismatch effect on ones ability to learn and succeed. I am glad someone has finally put a name on it. It is the reason I am for complete 'school choice' at all educational levels. Thomas Edison, for example, did not do well in public school so his mother home schooled him. Edisons' IQ was estimated at 186. Elitism is killing the USA. People should just go to the school where they fit best.
As a white man I can fully relate to the mismatch effect on ones ability to learn and succeed. I am glad someone has finally put a name on it. It is the reason I am for complete 'school choice' at all educational levels. Thomas Edison, for example, did not do well in public school so his mother home schooled him. Edisons' IQ was estimated at 186. Elitism is killing the USA. People should just go to the school where they fit best.
As a white man I can fully relate to the mismatch effect on ones ability to learn and succeed. I am glad someone has finally put a name on it. It is the reason I am for complete 'school choice' at all educational levels. Thomas Edison, for example, did not do well in public school so his mother home schooled him. Edisons' IQ was estimated at 186. Elitism is killing the USA. People should just go to the school where they fit best.
Is this not supposed to be about the Quinn Emanuel doc review project and not afirmative action? Hell, most of lawland is the province of affirmative action for W.A.S.P y and Jewish males and lately white women and gays. the brothers, for the most part, are not allowed in lawland anyways. What the hell you white boys so goddamned worried about with th the brothers? Its your women and the gays that are taking your spots.
Let's hear about the Quinn project.
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TOUCHED BY AN ANGEL!
She came forth like an angel bathed in Barbara Walters type light. As doves circled around her halo, she delivered a message of hope and reconciliation to the wretched masses of temps on the Quinn project. No more would there be constant surveillance by her rat bastard associates. Bagels would be had every Monday. There would be no more proctology exams when you submitted your timesheet. Docking fifteen minutes off a timesheet would be gone forever. A temp would not be reprimanded for taking a bottle of water home. Henceforth, respect for the downtrodden temp would be the norm. Toad, the putz associate, was aghast; he had been verbally spanked in front of everybody for his harassing behavior. He called his colleague Biff, the smarmy Cardozo graduate, to break the bad news of the sea change. They would commiserate and collapse in each other's arms later that night.
The temps did not know what to say or do. This about-face by Quinn was unprecedented in the temp world. Was it a ploy? Was it a mindgame? I expected each temp to yell: "I am Spartacus." Temps were in a daze and overcome with emotion. There was a group hug. Flavio, that smooth devil, used the opportunity to cop a feel from a few well endowed female temps.
The angel of mercy disappeared into the afternoon sunlight like an ephemeral, otherwordly being. I too was overcome with temp emotion. After all, this was the greatest day of my temp life. An associate, especially a senior level one, from a top lawfirm headquartered in the great state of California, had stooped and come to my Dickster inspired sweatshop and apologized to me for past abuse, and promised to treat me in a professional manner henceforth. I just had to take a dump at that great moment. Meanwhile, Toad hopped back to his lily pond. I was jolted back to reality by the receptionist bellowing about tampering with the air conditioning box.
Tom, the angel commented on how she would be perceived on "the blog" so please Tom give the utmost respect to the Florence Nightingale of Quinn.
Reality: This blog has a powerful effect on Quinn. It has damaged the reputation of this firm and its rat bastard associates have been exposed for what they are. The senior associate was sent to Lex today to do damage control. She gave us bagels and called off her mutts temporarily, but of course did not consider us professional enough to have Internet access restored at our workstations. Let her sit in front of a screen for twelve hours a day and not have the ability to surf the net for a few minutes. See how she likes it. To show real goodwill, why not restore Internet access for two weeeks, and if production drops, cut it off. Of course, that would be using logic, and not just lip service to establishing a better working relationship between temps and Quinn. But I digress.
Thank you Tom the Temp for this forum where temps have a voice to sound off, and where sometimes a lawfirm is forced to act and protect its ass in response to the comments on this blog.
I don't have any problems with the lack of internet access. That is not my problem. My problem has to do with the Quinn Staff attorneys. GET THE HELL OF OUR BACKS. You are temps like us, in case you forgot to read the memos!! You, you know yourself. Stop policing people. Stop looking over my shoulder at what I am doing. You should face your work and I will face mine and then Quinn will be the winner because we will be doing an excellent job. But trust me, I do not like temps telling me what to do. Just because you got hired straight by Quinn and by passed the temp agencies. God, what an ass. Anyhow, listen to what the "Angel of mercy" said and QUIT SWEATING THE SMALL STUFF. REALLY!!! There's more to life than temping. You should find out. BTW, you know your friends play solitaire all day. Why don't you ask them to stop??? God, the hypocrisy of your life makes me cringe. And if you read this, and think you are the one being referred to, newsflash, IT IS YOU!!!!
Are you talking about that ugly, miserable, bitchy Quinn temp Hayley?
And that other piece of garbage Catherine?
Don't you know they're better than you?
i think it's kathleen, not catherine.
As a white man I would like to give all my african american lawyers a nice piece of fried chicken!
As a young black man, I'd take that chicken, eat it, and jam the bones up your narrow ass. Cracka.
Not the forum for this racist crap. It is old and boring compared to the happenings on the Quinn project.
Hayley likes to come in late, kiss some associate butt, order food as soon as she plants her sizeable ass on the chair, stuff her face, do nothing, and harass temps like herself, pretty much in that order.
I thought Queen Bea would never leave today. I guess she did not get the memo from the senior associate to stay away from Lex and ease off the temps. Or else she is a contrarian. Do I detect insubordination?
I miss that white sleeveless number though that she wore last week. Cool, well maybe for LA. Besides you need a rack to hold it up.
As an octaroon, I would eat 1/8th of the fried chicken, then feel disgusted with my black genes and purchase a safe & healthy mesculin salad from Pax.
What kind of food does Hayley order? Must be something fried, since her skin looks like an oil slick.
Kathleen might even be somewhat attractive with some anti-bitch training. Maybe she just needs to eat more ruffage.
Wow, what a dickless nut-hugging dickwad. Jezz, so someone says something about you on a blog and you go running to tell? Dude, grab your balls and make sure you have that shit with you because you have just acted like a fucking putz. I hope you do find an apartment (I know your ass is looking for one) and then I hope you live next to a banjo playing albino who makes you "squeal like a pig" What a fucking nut job!!! While you are at it, wash your fucking dreads, they stink!!!
You guys should stop ragging on Haley. She's nice. She's getting married. Congratulate her!!!!
*Hayley
I'll bet Quinn can't wait to get this project outsoursed to Bangalore.....
Well, can't take this to India. Twiggy would die of a heat stroke... oh wait, she doesn't eat. She guzzles water as an SUV guzzles gas.
Kathleen left months ago, Catherine is the associate.
it's spelled "outsourced" you moron. Not GET BACK TO YOUR CODING!!!!
The person did not have any spell check. Come on... By the way, I saw this on Yahoo....http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071005/ap_on_re_us/louisiana_shooting
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071005/ap_on_re_us/louisiana_shooting
I really don't see how personal insults are going to help the situation. Look at yourself before you write something. Nobody in the room is a supermodel or else they'd be working for Ford or Elite and not doing doc review.
Shut the fuck up and go back to coding and I hope you took the time you used to type this tripe off from your break. I know I did. By the way, the "dreaded one" needs to start wearing some pants. He looks like a fucking Yeti. Or wait, are you leaving your legs bare so the "Jersey Haired Porky One" can keep staring at it? Fucking losers.
So sorry I and I misspelled 'outsourced', mon. I and I's corneas are as well done as a jerk chicken sandwich from staring at monitor all day every day.
Jah love, Rastafari, Selassie.
Wait, I hope that this is not that fucker, the "dreadlocked one" trying to sound all laid back. You know, if it is you, you are as laid back as a redneck with a stick up his ass can be.
Hey 1:07 - you try not washing your hair for 4 years and see how you feel.
Okay, using my hair as a pest palace? No thanks.
hmmmm. not washing hair? What about a certain temp who doesnt wash his clothes, and wears the same shorts everyday??
There are two of them... phew. Talk about BO paradise. I almost went to Duane Reade to get them some deodorant or something. Actually, one of them doesn't wash his hair AND wears the same shorts. OUCH...
My guess is that he hasn't gotten laid since his aunt sodomized him.
Update on Haley, Quinn's direct hire contract attorney who likes to harass and rat out temp attorneys: On Friday evening last, while second reviewing documents, she popped a bottle of wine which was supplied by the Dickster from Lex some days prior. She shared the bottle with her Quinn direct hire colleagues. The report is that she got tipsy and made out with the Denzel wannabe in the stairway. Quinn please take notice of this employee of yours who is your liability. Is this a good example to set before the temp attorneys that she supervises? Do you condone drinking on the job? What is your policy on dealing with an employee who is inebriated while reviewing your client's documents? Just asking Queen Bea. It could be your ass on the line.
Denzel wannabe? Puhlease!!! I'm guessing you are thinking of one of the black guys. Come on, comparing him to Denzel is not only an insult to Denzel, it's an insult to Black men and men in general. See, I've always suspected that Haley's engagement has to do with her being paid to get someone his green card.. this story, if true, kinda confirms it. Haley, I want you to know, I am thinking of reporting you to Homeland Security. MY EYES ARE ON YOU! Seriously, lowering yourself to swap saliva with a fellow temp while wearing your immigrants Cubic Zirconia? That's an episode of Maury Povich right there...tsk tsk.
I saw some comments about Carolyn on another post. Why is everyone always down on the secretary from Lex? So she's fat, so what? There are fatter bitches on the job. But she has nice hair. Come on, Caro is not that bad. I see her inhaling cancer sticks all day. She's hot dammit! I want some of that stinky breath right around my....
Does anyone know for sure whether E.P. Dine still docks two weeks pay if you walk off one of their projects? I know a lot of people walked off this project over the summer. Can anyone confirm?
Nah, come on, they can't take your money. You are an attorney, I'm sure you can finnagle yourself out of a project without getting blacklisted or having them hold on to your check. Anyhow, good luck if you really are leaving. Wait, is it the porky cow otherwise known as Margie?? Are you leaving?? *does cartwheels*
What's up with the Quinn direct hire who refused to go back to the firm and insists on showing up at our sweatshop every day? We are only supposed to be supervised by these direct hire Einsteins between 7pm and 11pm. Maybe she misses rifling through people's personal papers and notating if you leave your desk for more than five minutes. Maybe we should buy her a one way ticket back to Frisco.
By the way, Toad when he shows up between 12 and 2 still walks around like an old storekeeper with a worried look on his face afraid that somebody will steal from him.
As temps, let's not criticize each other; save that for the rat bastard associates and the nasty lush Haley. I find Margie to be loud, but not obnoxious. The Lex receptionist on the other hand is loud and obnoxious. She is very disrespectful toward temps and she has an inflated ego. She doesn't view herself as a receptionist because Lex management In addition to answering the phone assigns her the task of watching temps. Some days, I feel like that she needs a tranquilizer gun to shut her up and take her down.
Why do you want to send her to Frisco? She doesn't do anything to me. In fact, she hardly says a word.
"Maybe she misses rifling through people's personal papers and notating if you leave your desk for more than five minutes."
She's a stupid idiot. She doesn't have someone dicking her that's why she always looks so stupid and devious. She hardly says a word so when she talks you have to stand a few steps back because her breath is sooooo rank. I can't believe nobody has said this to her before. As for Toad the wet mouse, he keeps walking around rubbing his hands like Mr. Burns the boss on The Simpsons. He actually looks like Mr. Burns. DISGUSTING!!!
Fresh meat! Fresh meat!!
From another post....
It's those psycho direct hire idiots who keep watching you every time you get up to go to the bathroom. That is why people like that fucking Rohini who keeps watching you like the fucking dingle dangle scarecrow that she is. I mean, what the fuck??? And this is what you came from? You actually were getting these kind of hours AND PAY at Quinn in San Francisco and you come to NYC to pull the shit you pull? And I thought it was because your stupid old ass could not find a boyfriend to save your life!! I mean, come the fuck on, that haircut makes you look like a drowned rat. Which you look like by the way. God, this whole project is disgusting. I can't believe someone from San Fran would actually come to NYC and behave like a dickwad. Backstabbing stupid BITCH!!!
More...
The laws have been abolished. The Untouchables are now the desired. Rohini is not desired. She is a shameless hussy who throws herself at men, even one with a girlfriend (and folks call Hayley a hussy??) And she was throwing herself on a non Brahmin too. What would her Punjabi folks say/think???
to 5:03 -Dine has abolished the commitment letter and all the threats and obligations it posed. Also, at the beginning of the new year, they are moving to weekly pay. I also know that those who walked off were put on other projects, so there doesn't appear to be any blackballing like so many others... Update, LSP, Hudson...
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