tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19584611.post6316305540632401590..comments2024-03-25T04:26:39.471-04:00Comments on Temporary Attorney: The Sweatshop Edition: Sullivan & Cromwell Updatehelpme123http://www.blogger.com/profile/09049497942793554030noreply@blogger.comBlogger60125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19584611.post-77659699461842066602008-12-12T22:22:00.000-05:002008-12-12T22:22:00.000-05:00Jesus, the commenters on this site are a bunch of ...Jesus, the commenters on this site are a bunch of retards. I feel dumber after having read all this.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19584611.post-84617850779581275982008-12-01T00:36:00.000-05:002008-12-01T00:36:00.000-05:00Layoffs at Sullivan & Cromwell?? They need to ...Layoffs at Sullivan & Cromwell?? They need to lay off someof those numbskull litigation analysts high on drugs. Man, those idiots, I can't believe someone hired them!! They are worse than the contract attorneys -- just more desparate!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19584611.post-29296794952694534782008-11-26T20:59:00.000-05:002008-11-26T20:59:00.000-05:00Gee, 8:50 how many potential clients have YOU spok...Gee, 8:50 how many potential clients have YOU spoken to???? I have a feeling the number is ZERO. I've spoken to many & I've been licensed about a year. The things I have going for me are A) luck, B) making an effort to network w/others, C) taking steps to MAKE things happen instead of sitting back & ALLOWING things to happen, D) looking at the right places & E) listening to what lawyer seekers have to say. It also helps that I'm in a niche area where there aren't many new lawyers & none doing exactly what I'm doing. I also have a client who volunteered to be my benefactor & who has serious clout to deliver on things (I'm starting my own firm w/a super experienced lawyer & an experienced lawyer/business professional serving as equal partners). Funny that the potential clients I spoke to said cost & putting in effort was more important to them than decades of experience. I also know other new attorneys who ARE setting up solo work & doing JUST fine--you don't HAVE to have a Manhattan office, home or even a secretary/paralegal. <BR/><BR/>You whiners shouldn't be allowed to call yourselves "lawyers" b/c you'd never advocate for clients unless everything was perfectly in their favor. You'd tell someone to just give up & continue being pushed around by someone instead of trying to take a chance that the client could win if you did something that may or may NOT work. That's NOT a lawyer; that's a Wal-Mart employee. How about just doing that since you've got the perfect mindset for it????Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19584611.post-86102895057035447602008-11-25T22:29:00.000-05:002008-11-25T22:29:00.000-05:00$1600 Manhattan apartment? In your dreams.$1600 Manhattan apartment? In your dreams.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19584611.post-35148886282728740992008-11-25T22:12:00.000-05:002008-11-25T22:12:00.000-05:00So, defer your loans. You don't have to pay them ...So, defer your loans. You don't have to pay them (at least the Stafford) if you don't have the money.<BR/><BR/>If you hate law, why don't you get out. Now is a good oportunity. You can also defer the loans if you go back to school and get an MS in something useful (computer programing or some kind of health field).<BR/><BR/>Opening a solo practice is doable. Shared office space in Queens, Brooklyn, the Bronx, Long Island, etc. is affordable. However, if you want to live in Manhatten in your $1600 a month apartment, or pay a mortgage on a house, then it isn't.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19584611.post-17213760399802861942008-11-25T20:50:00.000-05:002008-11-25T20:50:00.000-05:007:48 - Are you dreaming? A new attorney can't st...7:48 - Are you dreaming? A new attorney can't start out as a solo, esp in a large city like New York. You are better off opening up a Dunkin Donuts franchise. America is absolutely glutted with entry-level attorneys and the situation is only getting worse. The real thing that is keeping people trapped in the temp grinder for years on end is the law school debt. Law school tuition has been far outpacing inflation for years now. Most people temp not because they are lazy or don't have it in them to practice law, but because they need the money to earn a meager living while making good on their massive loan debts. Things are only going to get worse with more law schools, higher debt loads, and higher interest rates.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19584611.post-46776010970575076532008-11-25T19:48:00.000-05:002008-11-25T19:48:00.000-05:00The economy is messing things up for the temp jobs...The economy is messing things up for the temp jobs. Less work means the associates get it and the temp projects are smaller. Give it some time and things will work out (6 months is my guess). Why don't you do something useful in the mean time -- the lack of temp jobs (and easy mindless money) might be a good thing; it'll force temps to go out there and get the experience they need instead of sitting in front of a computer.<BR/><BR/><BR/>Unions -- there's no real need for them. People open solo practices. This is impossible for teachers or automobile workers. The advantage of being a lawyer is that you don't HAVE to work for someone. If you're an assembly line worker, airplane mechanic, dock worker, etc., you have to have an employer. <BR/><BR/>Fat chicks as temps -- they sit in a chair and click for 60+ hours a week. The agencies and firms like this and they get promoted. However, that type of behavior is unhealthy over the long term and results in obesity. Thin people won't sit there for 60 hours mindlessly clicking on stuff. After a few months they take the lower paying associate jobs.<BR/><BR/>Temping for 5+ years -- I wouldn't hire anybody like that either (unless they were in private practice or running a buisness). Any normal person will A) take a job for 45K, B) change careers, or C) open a solo practice. Plus, anybody that will sit in front of a computer reading docs for 5 years isn't exactly interested in practicing law. Also, it's a prima facia case that they let some sales guy with BA and paralegals push them around. That's not exactly who you want fighting for you in court.<BR/><BR/><BR/>My advice -- wait out the recession and then find a small/midsize firm job. Lose the expensive Manhatten apartment and move to one of the borroughs. Alternatively, set up a web page, pay malpractice, and get on a referral service while you're temping (by the way this is another reason the firms like people to work OT -- it eliminates the solo practitioner).<BR/><BR/>The other option is to get out of law and don't look back. If you're more interested in clicking away at documents than in working as a lawyer, then law probably isn't for you.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19584611.post-19087323267939005022008-11-23T19:32:00.000-05:002008-11-23T19:32:00.000-05:00Whoever keeps posting how everyone is stupid and t...Whoever keeps posting how everyone is stupid and they know everything about unions, why dont you do it? If it is such a great idea, and it will work, why dont you do it? Shut up about how smart you are, and do something.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19584611.post-76379374155273079632008-11-23T18:24:00.000-05:002008-11-23T18:24:00.000-05:00Let's see advocating unions, done by attorneys no ...Let's see advocating unions, done by attorneys no less. Are you an adherent to the "secret" ballot as well, flying in the face of free speech and individual rights....unions do nothing for their rank and file, they line their own pockets e.g. that is, the leadership in unions, they are a joke....it is more of a joke to apply it to attorneys - a professional already in trouble by the fact of there being too many attorneys, poorly educated in basics of a classical education, and most of whom no sane client would hire to represent them, lest they fail.....get real...if you are looking for job security, try bartending or waitressing....heh, they've got a union and they do nothing but take your dues automatically deducted weekly from your miserly paycheck.......that you hopefully offset with tips....get real get real get real, grow up.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19584611.post-15396960413201684502008-11-22T20:08:00.000-05:002008-11-22T20:08:00.000-05:00enjoy clicking while it lasts!enjoy clicking while it lasts!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19584611.post-36456954177045464902008-11-22T18:36:00.000-05:002008-11-22T18:36:00.000-05:0012:46-And yet another clarvoyant temp in our midst...12:46-<BR/><BR/>And yet another clarvoyant temp in our midst! Do you read palms too?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19584611.post-91986701903980276802008-11-22T00:46:00.000-05:002008-11-22T00:46:00.000-05:00Big Law got WAY too greedy and now their business ...Big Law got WAY too greedy and now their business model of profit-per-partner will have to adapt or fail. Corporations decided its no longer worth it (and probably never was!) to pay $500-$1000 per hour to defend cases they know they are going to lose in the long run. Plaintiffs lawyers no longer have a leg to stand on due to recent legislation.<BR/><BR/>Defense lawyers no longer have a reason to exist because plaintiffs lawyers are no longer filing as many cases. <BR/><BR/>Transactional was good until the economy fell off a cliff. Now? Not so much...real estate and finance have disappeared altogether. <BR/><BR/>My prediction is that temporary work will actually INCREASE because it provides more flexibility to corporations looking to cut legal costs. Unfortunately this gain will be offset by the now even larger supply of lawyers in the job market. Damned if you do, damned if you don't they say.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19584611.post-9124054883592993602008-11-21T21:48:00.000-05:002008-11-21T21:48:00.000-05:00http://abovethelaw.com/2008/11/work_slowdown_at_su...http://abovethelaw.com/2008/11/work_slowdown_at_sullivan_crom.phpAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19584611.post-82905760798674577182008-11-21T20:36:00.000-05:002008-11-21T20:36:00.000-05:00UNION COST Union costs like claims about minimum w...UNION COST <BR/><BR/>Union costs like claims about minimum wages are actually a lie. The auto companies are hurting for 2 reasons: a) the credit cruntch which management failed to hedge against and b) building cars no one wants to buy (again a management decision). If you don't believe me, look it up.<BR/><BR/> You people are retarded. I can't talk to retarded people because I will eventually become one. Much of what is posted here for anyone who is truly interested about union economics, politics and law can be researched. You know- those niffty skills you are wasting. Peace out. I got better things to do than talk to the terminally act-against-my-own-interest types.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19584611.post-36042330135037055222008-11-21T20:28:00.000-05:002008-11-21T20:28:00.000-05:00It may be the end of biglaw, but it's at least wor...It may be the end of biglaw, but it's at least worth laughing every now and then as the ship is sinking.<BR/><BR/>-The Court Jester<BR/><BR/>Litination.com - "The Truth, The Half Truth and Nothing Like the Truth ... So Help Me Law."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19584611.post-68922137294574077162008-11-21T19:09:00.000-05:002008-11-21T19:09:00.000-05:00Unions won't work. Firms will just go with non-un...Unions won't work. Firms will just go with non-union workers. Agencies won't use unionized workers and the union itself won't be able to corner the market. New graduaes need jobs and non-new graduates need to put food on the table. The moment your livelihood is threatened you're done. Unions work when you're the only possible source of labor for a single employer--and when that employer is contractually bound to support you and when you can picket outside of the factory gats. Here there are hundreds of factories and there are going to be non-union workers everywhere. <BR/><BR/>we're screwed. I wish we could get union-type benefits, but we're too diffuse. Hell, say we unionize here (in NYC), they'll just start using CT or NJ contract attys...or attys in FL or TX. there's no chance of success here.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19584611.post-91254999712474272462008-11-21T18:51:00.000-05:002008-11-21T18:51:00.000-05:00Oh, yes, please unionize. That's exactly what law...Oh, yes, please unionize. That's exactly what lawyers need to do. Poor, underrepresented attorneys. Lawyers practically are unionized, what with lock-step pay and firms that have fallen all over themselves to give astronomical raises and even more outrageous bonuses. Everyone posts their firm's salaries, bonuses, and everything else to make sure the firms feel the pressure to best one another but it's never enough, is it? So you work ungodly hours -- that's what you signed up for, and that's why you get paid the ridiculous base salaries. Maybe try saving some of that money instead of pissing it all away and holding your hand out for more. Loans and bills are expensive, to be sure, but you all can cut back like everyone else. Buh-bye.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19584611.post-3333121844517769142008-11-21T18:35:00.000-05:002008-11-21T18:35:00.000-05:00Boy the folks on this blog just love to whine! Eve...Boy the folks on this blog just love to whine! Even if y'all were successful at being associates at big law firms, y'all would still whine about how your bonus was not big enough. Now that the economy is bad and the temp jobs are going away, you are crying about how the jobs you hated are now going away. <BR/><BR/>Btw, look at every industry that unionized and see where it stands. Unions make the cost of doing business so high in the states, that they have no choice but to go overseas. I mean, look what the unions did to the auto, airline, steel, etc.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19584611.post-24212655257955752152008-11-21T17:01:00.000-05:002008-11-21T17:01:00.000-05:00Temp agencies are pimps.Temps are whores.You did w...Temp agencies are pimps.<BR/>Temps are whores.<BR/>You did work you really don't want to do, hours you don't want to work, the pimps get a piece of your money, and when they are done with you they throw you to the curb.<BR/><BR/>---------END THREAD--------------Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19584611.post-24478441939153425812008-11-21T15:45:00.000-05:002008-11-21T15:45:00.000-05:00It's getting so bad that the agencies are actually...It's getting so bad that the agencies are actually entertaining 2-3 week staffing jobs that require two interviews, drug tests, proficiency tests, lowering of hourly rates (some even as flat rates below $35), and tons more superfluous bullshit in helping these deserving firms in these rough times. Makes me wanna puke!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19584611.post-74078300790600082942008-11-21T13:24:00.000-05:002008-11-21T13:24:00.000-05:00Wow. Like there wasn't already enough petty b...Wow. <BR/><BR/>Like there wasn't already enough petty backstabbing at S & C. I wonder what things will be like now that the economic grim reaper has appeared. <BR/><BR/>Watch your backs!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19584611.post-89694721385404363322008-11-21T12:51:00.000-05:002008-11-21T12:51:00.000-05:00Well, what did you expect? What kind of people do...Well, what did you expect? What kind of people do you think apply for jobs that are soul crushing provide for no future career trajectory and require them to have no life outside of the office? Don't expect to be surrounded by people that look like Jessica Simpson.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19584611.post-26879339117143334102008-11-21T12:43:00.000-05:002008-11-21T12:43:00.000-05:00Only the fattest and nastiest people need apply to...Only the fattest and nastiest people need apply to these positions.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19584611.post-1464263948657023542008-11-21T12:40:00.000-05:002008-11-21T12:40:00.000-05:00WHY ARE THE SULLIVAN LITIGATION ANALYSTS SO FAT?If...WHY ARE THE SULLIVAN LITIGATION ANALYSTS SO FAT?<BR/><BR/>If I apply for the job, do I have to be grossly overweight?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19584611.post-6178304128948585422008-11-21T11:14:00.000-05:002008-11-21T11:14:00.000-05:00Law firms have no work to outsource or otherwise. ...Law firms have no work to outsource or otherwise. Cravath couldn't meet market yesterday. It is the end of biglaw as we know it. Last one out of the basement turn off the lights.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com