tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19584611.post4717785979667718489..comments2024-03-25T04:26:39.471-04:00Comments on Temporary Attorney: The Sweatshop Edition: Outsourcing A-Okay, Says ABAhelpme123http://www.blogger.com/profile/09049497942793554030noreply@blogger.comBlogger58125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19584611.post-37123174704039547852008-09-05T07:54:00.000-04:002008-09-05T07:54:00.000-04:00re: 8:47 Blogger.....why is it that anytime someon...re: 8:47 Blogger.....why is it that anytime someone contributes a comment reflecting deeper thought than what normally appears herein readers respond with hostility? Whoever wrote the blog pointing out "reality" to us just isn't towing the line of "victimization" that apparently most readers want to see.....I rarely check this blog, but what is far more insulting to me is 8:47's reaction....she/he just doesn't want to hear anything other than what she/he believes is the "x" factor creating their frustration....stick your head deeper under the sand....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19584611.post-47648763008134506332008-09-03T20:45:00.000-04:002008-09-03T20:45:00.000-04:00Overtime? Look, who do you think your audience is ...Overtime? Look, who do you think your audience is here? Do you think we are all without knowlege of economic issues? My economics professor (who specialized in economic issues in developing countries) used to say that in the long run we are all dead. What he meant is that while we are waiting for your undefined "overtime" major damage could and will have occured. If you want to fight over understanding economic issues- I am more than happy to oblige- but don't come here with these insulting Econ 101 arguments.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19584611.post-18787800108280330792008-09-03T13:52:00.000-04:002008-09-03T13:52:00.000-04:00The ABA's top echelon is comprised of partners fro...The ABA's top echelon is comprised of partners from firms such as Skadden. These firms represent multinationals who went a foothold in markets such as India and other emerging new markets. There probably are restrictions in these countries on these firms re satellite full service law firm satellite office, with EU, US, and Indian attorneys on staff. Certainly, trade barriers keeping out US law firm will be in place. A good way around this is to stealthly begin with outsourcing.....eventually, that will lay groundwork for other expansions.....the issue is that the ABA will go out of its way to assist U.S. law firms compete with EU and UK/FRG law firms, in addition to firms in Singapore and PRC......this is about trade, this is not about law school grads' problems. Over time, many of these emerging markets will contract and face their own inflationary pressures, and the tide will turn the other way....alot of hoopla about nothing. It is pure international trade, and the ABA is helping the U.S. law firms and attorneys compete - with great costs to people like us....there is only so much you can do to fight the tide......spitting in the wind. Give it up.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19584611.post-50039441343544910112008-09-02T20:46:00.000-04:002008-09-02T20:46:00.000-04:00Yes, losing one's mind is part of being a POW. Tha...Yes, losing one's mind is part of being a POW. That's what we all are. POWs!!!!!!!<BR/><BR/>We are at war and the agencies have us prisoner! And the firms too!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19584611.post-27585334910151892182008-09-02T20:12:00.000-04:002008-09-02T20:12:00.000-04:00You know what I noticed? Nobody ever panics when ...You know what I noticed? Nobody ever panics when things go "according to plan", no matter how horrifying the plan really is. I could tell the press tomorrow that like, a Cooley grad will make $25,000 a year as a lawyer, or that a document reviewer will get carpal tunnel syndrome from clicking, yet not get any health insurance coverage, nobody panics, because _it's all part of the plan_. But when I say that one little Bar Association has to actually represent the interests of 70% of its members, well then everyone LOSES THEIR MINDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19584611.post-70279281854602290232008-09-02T20:08:00.000-04:002008-09-02T20:08:00.000-04:00I luv twat.Twattwattwathot twatI luv twat.<BR/><BR/>Twat<BR/>twat<BR/>twat<BR/>hot twatAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19584611.post-84513094375431541572008-09-01T17:21:00.000-04:002008-09-01T17:21:00.000-04:00Are we still at war with the agencies? I think so...Are we still at war with the agencies? I think some of you mentioned this and I wasn't sure. Should we wear our fatigues to work tomorrow? Please advise.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19584611.post-45240201508436139622008-09-01T16:09:00.000-04:002008-09-01T16:09:00.000-04:00Happy Labor Day Clickers. Slutty temps work overt...Happy Labor Day Clickers. Slutty temps work overtime.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19584611.post-11991180656545918412008-09-01T14:33:00.000-04:002008-09-01T14:33:00.000-04:00Happy Labor Day to contract attorneys and toiletee...Happy Labor Day to contract attorneys and toileteers everywhere!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19584611.post-52331880782914876092008-09-01T11:26:00.000-04:002008-09-01T11:26:00.000-04:00fuk u. Entertain usfuk u. Entertain usAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19584611.post-4901859020237661522008-08-31T19:44:00.000-04:002008-08-31T19:44:00.000-04:00Do you think Labor Day is a good day to strike? Yo...Do you think Labor Day is a good day to strike? You know, because the agencies owe us labor and work and stuff...<BR/><BR/>How's about it?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19584611.post-47078766840383247322008-08-31T18:52:00.000-04:002008-08-31T18:52:00.000-04:00In all seriousness, if you are only making 10 an h...In all seriousness, if you are only making 10 an hour than I feel for you. What sucks when you make that kind of money is you really have to work for it. I know you think we doc reviewers are whiners, but you really need to think of joining the club for your financial health.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19584611.post-89325565304362185682008-08-31T15:14:00.000-04:002008-08-31T15:14:00.000-04:00Follow upYou may want to one day pick your head up...Follow up<BR/><BR/>You may want to one day pick your head up enough to ask yourself why you are earning what you are earning, and why that is less than your father made before you.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19584611.post-89692750315371053422008-08-31T15:12:00.000-04:002008-08-31T15:12:00.000-04:002:55The problem with your thought process is you d...2:55<BR/><BR/>The problem with your thought process is you don't know how to separate out what individual and shared responsibility. We are all responsible for o ur own actions, but we aren't islands. We live in a greater society. if that greater society changes the rules, it doesn't mean we lack responsibility for our actions, it means the greater society changed the rules. The chief problem with your post is the continued brainwashing of America. For example, you point out that this is occuring other industries. Yeah, it is. That's the point. This is a continuation of a process that's destroying the American middle class. This outsourcing is just another among many examples. That's why your reliance on individual behaviors misses the point entirely. Or, in other words, it doesn't matter whether people here are 'whining"- they aren't the point. The loss of the American m iddle class is, and this is just more fodder toward that. It was once argued that services job, and high end white collar jobs wouldn't be affected. That the only jobs that would be affected would be blue collar jobs. But that's now proving to be a lie.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19584611.post-80281507265579565962008-08-31T14:55:00.000-04:002008-08-31T14:55:00.000-04:00Yes things change, but I don't hear anyone champio...Yes things change, but I don't hear anyone championing the cause against the change for manufacturers, telecommunications and the like. I also agree that taking an exam like the bar is pointless and that the ABA would be better off reducing the number of crappy law schools to protect the practice of law. The jobs being outsourced do not require a law license so long as someone who is licensed is doing some oversight. This is the same thing as having a firm full of summer associates doing projects being signed off by an associate or a contract project that is open to people who do not have a bar license yet. I wouldn't be surprised if a major case fails because of this outsourcing and the ABA eventually changing its position. Until then just be freaking thankful that you have a job in the meantime, even though it's mindnumbingly boring.<BR/><BR/>I think the people on this blog would bitch and complain no matter what their circumstance is. I can guarantee you that if the people here did have biglaw jobs right out of law school, they would be the same whiners who were complaining about being paid $145K before it changed to $160K and will still complain about how their salaries should be $190K. Or complain that firm A has a better partnership track or firm B has better billable hours or firm C gets multi-colored highlighters and your firm doesn't. I had a job offer at a firm paying six figures before graduation - the market changed and I got laid off. Yeah I'm pissed and I am struggling at a job paying $10/hour, but I am not going to let it consume my life and blame everyone else in the world for my problems. If you guys will stop complaining, be proactive, and start acting like a lawyer, maybe people will treat you as one.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19584611.post-63172856096319883662008-08-31T13:03:00.000-04:002008-08-31T13:03:00.000-04:002:24One of the best things to ever happen in this ...2:24<BR/><BR/>One of the best things to ever happen in this country was to brainwash folks like you. How anyone can go into a rant over personal choice when structural changes to the entire market is the topic is beyond me. You also do not characterize the situation correctly. Here's a dirty little secret- most jobs, including those of partners at large law firms could be taught and done by non-attorneys. The question is whether or not the standards the ABA requires of attorneys domestically are indeed necessary to doing the job. If not, then why do they require them of us? Why the additional cost to not just us, but future American lawyers, of going to a three year school? If not, then , why the bar exam? If not, then why the CLE requirements? Are you such as sheep that you aren't curious why they required you to be admitted into the bar, but not the outsourced attorneys? Does it mean you are irrelevant and obsolete before you even start? If that's the case, who is the position to have let you know that these structural changes were going to be decided- the people planning to make those changes or you, some naive law school graduate. As a future lawyer, I hope you understand the concepts I am describing because your clients will want a higher level of thinking.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19584611.post-39988252664913046972008-08-31T02:24:00.000-04:002008-08-31T02:24:00.000-04:00I think this blog should be changed to hypocrites ...I think this blog should be changed to hypocrites anonymous. First you guys bitch about how deplorable the temping situation is, call people names, and whine about how law schools held you up at gun point, made you take the LSAT, pay them thousands of dollars, and threw you on the streets. Then you guys bitch about how those crappy jobs are being outsourced. You guys said it yourselves...you don't even need to have a JD to do the stuff your doing and all you do is point and click on the computer all day. Why should a firm pay a bunch of whiners $50/hour when they can get the same work product for much less (and more content employees I might add)? If the Indian firms fail, then good for y'all...the firms will come running back to you. But you guys are not making a good case for keeping those jobs here in the states when all you do is bitch and moan. Suck it up, it's a down economy. Don't act entitled to a job just because 25% of law students were smart or lucky enough to get those jobs. If you are in a continual rut, move from NYC. I don't get why everyone wants to move to NYC when they dont have the law school stats to make it as a biglaw associate or whatever dream job you want. Move to a smaller job market.<BR/><BR/>Before you blast me, I am also unemployed waiting for bar results. I am contract at a firm getting paid $10/hour. It sucks but I'm dealing with it. Chill out, go to work, and be thankful you don't live in India.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19584611.post-82649882637242335772008-08-30T11:04:00.000-04:002008-08-30T11:04:00.000-04:00The quality of the work is irrelevant. Besides, t...The quality of the work is irrelevant. Besides, the largely foreign trained doc reviewers in NYC do most of the doc review anyway. The Nigerians and others that overwhelm the temp projects there are further delivering the death knell. The associates and staff attorneys will clean up any work that foreigners have screwed up, as they do now. I don't think there will be much difference, ultimately. The doc review system as developed is just a billing scheme and anyone can do the work. Young, fresh and hungy graduates from emerging nations are good candidates.<BR/><BR/>Firms and their clients will flee in droves to India now. Do you really think they want TTT attorneys or people that barely speak English babbling into their cell phones in firm hallways and vacant offices?<BR/><BR/>No, they don't. Bigfirms are elitist by nature and will be very, very happy to unload this huge problem to India, where they won't have to see the unfortunates and outcasts that populate these projects. Now they have the greenlight, so time for US doc reviewers to find another way to make a living. <BR/><BR/>Many already conduct their reviews offsite, why not just move it to India? <BR/><BR/>Clever Nigerians and others will not return to their homelands to open up outsource firms.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19584611.post-34742429629697685552008-08-30T01:32:00.000-04:002008-08-30T01:32:00.000-04:00Re New SkillsThis, of course, is a joke. Not becau...Re New Skills<BR/><BR/>This, of course, is a joke. Not because learning new skills is a bad thing, but because new skills are irrelevant to the process that's occuring. Whatever new skills you learn will quickly be taught to the labor that is the cheapest, again in large part due to low standard of living in host countries, uneven labor practices that favor real sweat shops (versus contract attorney versions), non-existent environmental and OSHA laws, etc. There is no way to educate yourself out of this mess. It's the intended structure of the market approach that Americans, in their ignorance, have adopted. there are other models for capitalism, but we choose this one and choose instead to hold up to fantasy about it being better than the rest of the world. That may have been true once, but our time is quickly passing because the real way in which Americans aren't adapting is to accept the reality of what's occuring, and instead burying our heads. This isn't again the Indians fault or Chinese or whoever esle want to blame. It's ours for fall ing for delusion.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19584611.post-35250430778053002942008-08-30T01:26:00.000-04:002008-08-30T01:26:00.000-04:00The global economy is about the race to the bottom...The global economy is about the race to the bottom for large organizations rather than prosperity for many. The race to the bottom means finding the nation with the lowest pay, benefits, labor laws and environmental standards, and moving business operations there. Then pressure domestic policies and industries, including white collar positions such as engineering and now the legal industry, so that one can replicate those conditions in the domestic market. If you can do this with tax benefits passed off as tax cuts for all, even better. The only people who don't understand this are Americans. The rest of the world understands the games and plans accordingly. We simply leave it up to the invidual to nagivate in a market that's not built in favor of individualism. It favors large companies able to move and use labor cheaply. Not individual works who aren't able to do the same or bargain on an even playing field. Welcome to America.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19584611.post-52513651720464244142008-08-30T00:58:00.000-04:002008-08-30T00:58:00.000-04:00"...ask any Wall Street investment banker about th..."...ask any Wall Street investment banker about the work product of Indians, its dismal.<BR/><BR/>5:22 PM"<BR/><BR/>When I worked as a Computer Programmer, I was constantly having to "fix" Indian workproduct. The software would not run or worked incorrectly, e.g. Windows Vista. I ask a VP why we are contracting out for software that didn't work. He said simply "they're cheap!" It's like the Chinese junk at Wal MArt. It's cheap crap made by cheap labor. Nothing more nothing less.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19584611.post-24747204196050215132008-08-29T18:40:00.000-04:002008-08-29T18:40:00.000-04:00What's up with that Trollop? Why's he on Roach Bo...What's up with that Trollop? Why's he on Roach Boy's nuts? Maybe he IS Roach Boy.<BR/><BR/>Click. Click. Click. (Go to the bathroom and masturbate for the fourth consecutive hour, grab a smoke) Click. Click. Click.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19584611.post-81207807085577472042008-08-29T18:25:00.000-04:002008-08-29T18:25:00.000-04:0010:19 must have many skills relevant to the new gl...10:19 must have many skills relevant to the new global economy. That is why he is reading a blog for temp attorneys. This site is full of great minds. <BR/><BR/>What he fails to understand is we are unfortunately exercising the skills relevant to the new global economy....pointing and clicking in a basement. The new global economy exports law jobs to India over to the internet. When he discovers the work is going to dot heads wearing turbans, he will understand what the new global economy is all about.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19584611.post-13128860734105192782008-08-29T15:19:00.000-04:002008-08-29T15:19:00.000-04:00"Here is a thought: Stop complaining, work harder,..."Here is a thought: Stop complaining, work harder, learn new skills relevant to the global economy that we now operate in, brush up on your spelling, and perhaps, just perhaps, one of these extremely gracious and kind Indian businessmen or attorneys at some point in the future will forgive you for your vile, racist, beliefs and employ you as a janitor."<BR/><BR/>At $7k + Stock Options.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19584611.post-45789009546537022842008-08-28T21:01:00.000-04:002008-08-28T21:01:00.000-04:007:35Yes, even roach boy gets one right. It's impo...7:35<BR/><BR/>Yes, even roach boy gets one right. It's important to note that the clickers were pretty much just high in lawschool--they were always looking for weed and only drank when they couldn't get anything. As docreviewers, they "party" just as much, it's just at home all alone. <BR/><BR/>And they laughed at the law review "losers" because they were so "square."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com