tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19584611.post1962826570880875072..comments2024-03-25T04:26:39.471-04:00Comments on Temporary Attorney: The Sweatshop Edition: The Omnipresence Of Tom The Temphelpme123http://www.blogger.com/profile/09049497942793554030noreply@blogger.comBlogger49125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19584611.post-34328633612990355922016-11-27T04:14:39.986-05:002016-11-27T04:14:39.986-05:00Get daily ideas and instructions for making $1,000...Get daily ideas and instructions for making <b>$1,000s per day</b> ONLINE totally FREE. <br /><b><a href="http://syntaxlinks.com/money/?promotion=blogspot_c9184" rel="nofollow">GET FREE ACCESS INSTANLY</a></b>Bloggerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07287821785570247118noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19584611.post-81438312300768590822008-02-21T21:12:00.001-05:002008-02-21T21:12:00.001-05:00i started temping a few months ago. I can easily a...i started temping a few months ago. I can easily afford to live in Manhattan. It is the easiest job I could ever imagine. I laugh at the associates who have to work so hard and really don't get much for it. But it pisses me off that we are billed out by the firm at such a high rate, so I purposely do crappy work. If they want a better work product, then they should pay for it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19584611.post-69688083425647666112008-02-21T21:12:00.000-05:002008-02-21T21:12:00.000-05:00i started temping a few months ago. I can easily a...i started temping a few months ago. I can easily afford to live in Manhattan. It is the easiest job I could ever imagine. I laugh at the associates who have to work so hard and really don't get much for it. But it pisses me off that we are billed out by the firm at such a high rate, so I purposely do crappy work. If they want a better work product, then they should pay for it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19584611.post-80626740489163352662007-12-08T13:48:00.000-05:002007-12-08T13:48:00.000-05:00so everytime i google "insurance defense" i come u...so everytime i google "insurance defense" i come upon these blogs, with pretty much every lawyer and law student critizing the profession. well try this, going to law school post-september 11th, the economy tanked, law school applications skyrocketed, my class at a top tier (state) school was overrun with harvard and columbia alums (often with graduate degrees already), graduating in the top of your class, being on law review, moot court,....doing everything "right" to get a good job....and guess the only firms who will even LOOK at me for an interview--insurance defense. so it makes me really angry when so many people who haven't even been in the practice yet or who were fortunate enough to get a big law firm job and make $160K a year criticize insurance defense. it is a job. it is a job practicing law. it is a job that allows me to draft motions and pleadings, do legal research, answer and propound discovery, take depositions, appear in court for not just case management conferences, mind you, but also to argue dispositive motions, sit second chair at trial (as a first year attorney), and have extensive client contact. but my profession is criticized. thanks, you arrogant people--and thank you for reaffirming my opinion of most lawyers and law students.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19584611.post-42811669193005430762007-09-23T23:59:00.000-04:002007-09-23T23:59:00.000-04:00Are you talking about the Quinn project that is st...Are you talking about the Quinn project that is staffed by Update?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19584611.post-23242659605454814282007-09-23T15:43:00.000-04:002007-09-23T15:43:00.000-04:00The offsite Quinn Emmanuel project that is not sta...The offsite Quinn Emmanuel project that is not staffed by Lexolution orr EP Dine sucks ass. A quiz was given on a packet the size of a phonebook, and someone was fired for failing the quiz. Morale is low.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19584611.post-85440661230408001372007-09-23T13:30:00.000-04:002007-09-23T13:30:00.000-04:00Tom the temp ... is a woman! (I bet it is, just to...Tom the temp ... is a woman! (I bet it is, just to throw everyone off...) Keep on blogging Tom, we love you!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19584611.post-54337388649762566812007-09-22T23:35:00.000-04:002007-09-22T23:35:00.000-04:00"Get out while you still can"Thanks for the poigna..."Get out while you still can"<BR/><BR/>Thanks for the poignant words of wisdom, douchebag. Like we all had not already figured this out.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19584611.post-36791585220863103752007-09-20T20:21:00.000-04:002007-09-20T20:21:00.000-04:00whining temps are classic. Stop being a victim an...whining temps are classic. Stop being a victim and start being a solution. Not a Lex-olution but a solution to your misery. Get out while you still can, while you still have your livelihood- you don't want to be the 40 year old temp with a family to support and no retirement savings or medical insurance because you don't get any benefits from the agencies you're working for...I think in about 30 years there will be a lot of destitute ex-TTT law grads sleeping in subway stations because they have no 401k or IRAs for themselves.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19584611.post-50958072955209483552007-09-20T19:19:00.000-04:002007-09-20T19:19:00.000-04:00As a group, each profession is paid exactly as muc...As a group, each profession is paid exactly as much as they deserve. Contract attorneys are being paid $35/hr because enough attorneys are willing to take that pay. <BR/><BR/>I don't get the philosophy that one wrong justifies another. So a Cravath associate hired a prostitute or raped someone? Does that mean you should be able to rape someone as well? No, you idiot. And it doesn't mean you can overbill, either.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19584611.post-44735722394439279272007-09-20T00:03:00.000-04:002007-09-20T00:03:00.000-04:00depends on the project.depends on the project.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19584611.post-55844057318305775562007-09-19T14:17:00.000-04:002007-09-19T14:17:00.000-04:00Is Quinnn a bad firm to work for or does it depend...Is Quinnn a bad firm to work for or does it depend on the agency the project is assigned by? I would note the assignment I am considering is located offsite and is not being staffed by EP Dine or Lexolution.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19584611.post-47421429887753793802007-09-19T02:18:00.000-04:002007-09-19T02:18:00.000-04:00ID is not good for skill building. All you do is ...ID is not good for skill building. All you do is go to court conferences (which isn't trial) and cut-and-paste boilerplate motions all day. You do get to practice your deposition skills, but it gets pretty mundane when you see the same case day after day.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19584611.post-74396073980395027792007-09-19T01:14:00.000-04:002007-09-19T01:14:00.000-04:00I believe ID is insurance defense.I would say that...I believe ID is insurance defense.<BR/><BR/>I would say that if either PI or ID gave you substantial court time, I'd probably consider it. However, it seems to me that most of the lawyers in those firms never actually go to court. I mean, they go to court to request stuff, but the cases never go to trial. So the experiences might not be as great for skill building.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19584611.post-13330852090961202422007-09-19T00:59:00.000-04:002007-09-19T00:59:00.000-04:00What is "ID"?What is "ID"?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19584611.post-2290812689401132112007-09-18T22:52:00.000-04:002007-09-18T22:52:00.000-04:00I agree that temping is just a rat race. I don't c...I agree that temping is just a rat race. I don't care, I am taking a pay cut and going to work for real estate firm or a governmental agency. Yes, there will be a pay cut at the begining but then, it will start paying off in the long run after I get all the experience I need. Temping does not give that to you. I need to get out there, go to court, write/draft motions and argue cases AND NO, before anyone mentions ID, I am never ever doing that. I have heard enough horror stories from my friends :(Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19584611.post-84643935968944896272007-09-18T18:18:00.000-04:002007-09-18T18:18:00.000-04:00"The paranoia of Quinn is just over the top. They ..."The paranoia of Quinn is just over the top. They act like temps are trying to steal from them. They seem to believe that temps need to be supervised like kids by their rat bastard associates and direct hire contract attorneys."<BR/><BR/>Apartheid.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19584611.post-13752765991086637612007-09-18T17:22:00.000-04:002007-09-18T17:22:00.000-04:00I'm not talking about working for an ID mill (thou...I'm not talking about working for an ID mill (though it would be better than temping). The key is learning how to handle cases or transaction on your own. A second year associate who has closed 30 residential real estate transactions will command a substantial premium over a fresh grad who took a class in property two years ago.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19584611.post-8849653382843636932007-09-18T16:05:00.001-04:002007-09-18T16:05:00.001-04:00People are streaming out of the ID mills because t...People are streaming out of the ID mills because they can't afford to live off of ID and other small firm salaries. Something is going to break soon.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19584611.post-75771967047674415242007-09-18T16:05:00.000-04:002007-09-18T16:05:00.000-04:00Honestly, if you think you are practicing law whil...Honestly, if you think you are practicing law while doing document review, you have never practiced law, and therefore, can not tell the difference.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19584611.post-17402361010625689862007-09-18T16:02:00.001-04:002007-09-18T16:02:00.001-04:00"Real" Law? Where? The ID mills?"Real" Law? Where? The ID mills?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19584611.post-20585391244418869592007-09-18T16:02:00.000-04:002007-09-18T16:02:00.000-04:00"Real" Law? Where? The ID mills?"Real" Law? Where? The ID mills?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19584611.post-55445789798505387252007-09-18T15:49:00.000-04:002007-09-18T15:49:00.000-04:00“A new graduate from Crap U doesn't get $40 an hou...“A new graduate from Crap U doesn't get $40 an hour. In fact, many tier 1's with several years of experience aren't making $40 an hour right now. Without a language skill or other speciality, $40 an hour is rather on the high end. A new graduate from Crap U is probably going to be stuck in the Paul Weiss basement making $17 an hour with the cockroaches, or rather will find themselves packed like a KFC chicken in Lily's sweatshop.:<BR/><BR/>I’m going off this chart: http://temporaryattorney.googlepages.com/ At least in New York, market is $40 flat or $35 an hour + OT. <BR/><BR/>“Not true, esp. as of lately. Private law schools (which make up 12 out of the 13 law schools in NYC) are now costing close to 50K a year. Many people are now coming out with debt loads of close to $150-180K a year, with sky high interest rates. Maybe the students should take some responsibility for this, but that is another issue.”<BR/><BR/>I realize that people are coming out with debt loads close to $150-180K (I was one of them). And if you graduate with $180K in debt, I agree that you’re screwed. But that’s not the typical law student. Average law school debt is below $100K a year for students who borrow, even at private schools in and around New York.<BR/>http://grad-schools.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/usnews/edu/grad/webextras/brief/sb_law_debt_brief.php<BR/><BR/>When you consider that an associate from a top program who starts at $165K only makes $60 an hour if they work 55 hrs a weeks, 50 weeks a year, $35-40 an hr doesn’t strike me as that horrible. <BR/><BR/>“Doctors, engineers, etc. are actually rewarded in the long run for their years of indentured servitude. Lawyers, on the other hand, who either temp or work in small law, are never rewarded.”<BR/><BR/>Law firm economics are pretty simple when it comes to associate pay. A third of that you bill usually goes to the partnership, a third goes to overhead (offices, staff, supplies, westlaw, marketing, ect.), and a third goes to you. So if you want to make $100K a year you need to generate $300K a year for the firm. Assuming you bill 2000 hours, you have to command a billing rate of $150 an hour. Outside the world of big firms (which generate a tremendous amount of doc review type work) no one will pay that much to a brand new graduate who has no clue how to practice law. You need some meaningful experience to command that sort of rate. But if you get that experience, you will be rewarded. You’ll command the higher billing rate and progressively keep more of what you bill. The only way to get there from where you are is to take a pay cut from temping, and get a job doing real legal work.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19584611.post-42883840461600199392007-09-18T15:20:00.000-04:002007-09-18T15:20:00.000-04:00Hear Hear.....Thats exactly right if were not doin...Hear Hear.....Thats exactly right if were not doing legal work, and we are not attorneys.....then explain how firms andagencies can bill us out at 200 an hour?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19584611.post-78735981024374237312007-09-18T12:58:00.000-04:002007-09-18T12:58:00.000-04:00"You are not a lawyer."Yes, you are. These big fi..."You are not a lawyer."<BR/><BR/>Yes, you are. These big firms want to have their cake and eat it to. They want to bill you out to their clients and profit off of you as a lawyer, but behind closed doors, they want to neuter you and treat you as a third world sweatshop worker. Stand up for yourselves, people!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com